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My idiot brother-in-law in Texas has already declared that no Gillette razor will ever be used in his home again. I guess he’s in favor of sexual abuse? Or maybe harassment?

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Is he saying that gettin’ rapey is a masculine trait? Because no.

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I would be very interested to see which company Morgan moves too. Dollars-to-donuts that company is ALSO owned by Proctor & Gamble.

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“may drive me away”

He has no plans to do anything and is, in his own words, “virtue-signalling” to the misogynist part of his audience.

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I don’t think he’s saying that at all.

Also, Piers Morgan is a professional shit stirrer.

Much like the advert is itself virtue signalling!

The whole thing makes me a bit ill, both the #metoo and the abuse that caused it.

And now companies hopping on the bandwagon.

I also think you can be perfectly masculine without it being “toxic” and I fear alot of masculinity is now being tarnished with this “toxic” label, and apparently one can’t call feminism toxic, even though there are plenty of examples of very toxic feminism.

Men are supposed to be masculine, women are supposed to be feminine. That doesn’t inherently imply inequality imho.

The most “primitive” (imho primitive is not the right word, but I’ll use it here anyway) societies are pretty egalitarian from what we know (I’m basing this on what little I’ve read about the Bushmen) but women and meant there have pretty defined roles.

That advert comes accross to me as saying:

here are some examples of bad male behaviour, ipso facto all masculinity is toxic.

And that I can’t agree with.

Still, Gillette do do nice razors, so on the rare occasions I shave, like or not it’ll be with Gilette.

P.S - I got bullied as a kid.

My response, fight back. Bullies found easier prey.

Problem solved, life lesson learned.

has someone stepped in to stop it…nah fuck that!

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Just curious, what are some examples of toxic femininity?

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Misandry!

Google that and toxic feminism if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.

Also, I realise my post sounds very much like “what about…”

So apologies for that.

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And where are good examples of this taking place?

Edit: I should not go there.

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This reminds me of the famous saying that men are afraid that women will laugh at them, while women are afraid that men will kill them.

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No, I don’t really want to. I just wonder if you’re mixing up toxicity in the feminist movement with that of femininity itself.

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Oh fair point, especially as that is what I am accusing the advert of doing.

I’m all for women doing whatever they want and I do think women are pretty much as capable as men for most things.

Ofcourse there are some significant biological differences, but in today’s societies, for the most part, those variances in strength etc matter little.

I know several women who are stronger, fitter etc than many men I know, while at the same time I think men are overall generally stronger.

Simply put, if a man and a woman put in the same effort to getting strong etc, guess who ends up stronger?

However, the differences rarely matter, even in the military. There, standards exist and should be adhered to as those standards reflect the role required. Infantry have certain standards requiring a higher level of fitness than, say a refueling specialist.

But if a woman can handle it, in my book she’s welcome to be an Infanteer.

And that’s probably the most extreme example i can think of, where a biological difference might actually matter.

I also wonder if the glass ceiling we hear so much about is related to women taking time off work for families etc, or if it is a direct result of prejudice.

It’s probably a bit of both to be fair, but if I, and a woman, were to start the same job now but she were to go part time or take years off, and I were to not, should I not get seniority?

So, @delirium, I hope that makes it a bit clear.

I wouldn’t call myself a feminist, or a masculinist, or a SJW, or any of these things. I’d call myself a (mostly) sensible human being who fears that, in the course of trying to correct a wrong, certain movements (in this instance, feminism) risk tarring everyone with the same brush (in this case, men) because it seems to me to lead to a default attitude that

man = bad.

And imho that’s not a good starting place for discourse.

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Not to instigate things here, but for a man, being laughed at, or being rejected, by a woman, or hell just the fear of it, is oftentimes far worse than the reality.

It’s not a logical fear, but it is a powerful one.

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Rules in life: Do what the opposite of what Piers Morgan likes.

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This sounds like a “you” problem, rather than a problem with the advert per se.

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The ad seems to specifically call out sexual harassment, bullying, and assault. That shouldn’t be normal for masculinity nor make a connection that all of it is bad. The reaction from the nutjobs on the right is predictable though for sure. When Budweiser makes a commercial about how you shouldn’t rape a drunk woman, they’'ll start boycotting them as well.

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Probably the only thing that could make Kavanaugh not like beer.

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These things are always slow. Look how long it has taken to move football from a culture where brain damaging head hits were just “getting your bell rung.” Where we lauded the gritty coaches who made players suffer in 100 degree heat without water doing nutcracker drills over and over because it built men who weren’t pussies.

There’s always going to be that guy out there who thinks that if you’re not absorbing pain or inflicting it on someone else, you’re not a “real man.”

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The Atlantic is giving Bryan Singer some free press this morning.

On December 7, 2017, three days after The Hollywood Reporter broke the news of Singer’s firing, a Seattle man named Cesar Sanchez-Guzman filed a lawsuit against the director, alleging that Singer had raped him in 2003, when Sanchez-Guzman was 17. The day after that, Deadline Hollywood published an interview with a former boyfriend of Singer’s, Bret Tyler Skopek, in which Skopek described a lifestyle of drugs and orgies

Sanchez-Guzman’s claims shouldn’t have been much of a surprise. Almost from the moment his star began to rise, Singer, who is now 53, has been trailed by allegations of sexual misconduct. These allegations were so well known that 4,000 students, faculty members, and alumni at the University of Southern California had signed a petition asking the school to take Singer’s name off one of its programs, the Bryan Singer Division of Cinema and Media Studies—which the school did immediately after Sanchez-Guzman filed his suit. As one prominent actor told us, “After the Harvey Weinstein news came out, everyone thought Bryan Singer would be next.”

When asked for comment, Singer’s lawyer, Andrew B. Brettler, noted that Singer has never been arrested for or charged with any crime, and that Singer categorically denies ever having sex with, or a preference for, underage men.

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Oh shit, watch out Mozart!

I wonder, is the fact that Don Giovanni is confronted by the ghost of the man he slew, and then dragged down to eternal torment, a “subtle clue” that we’re not meant to be on his side?

Also, the dude in that lithograph looks nothing like Mozart, which may be the lithographer’s fault.