4311

There’s also the fact that it was a limited-time test, so workers were probably overachieving in that month as well.

But still interesting.

4312

here is another one:

I know this is a little off topic… but I do think pushing so much / too much work can have a negative affect on outside relationships and we are currently talking about a power imbalance in work relationships with these latest issues.

4313

Middle managers will never stand for it. A shorter work week would cut into their power.

But this is all of topic.

4314

Ya, but Japan’s current work days are insanely long. That article suggested they’re working like 80 hours of overtime every month.

There’s an upper limit on productivity, especially for any kind of job where you are using your brain. So I would expect that if you’re working insanely long hours to begin with, reducing those hours could have a beneficial impact, since the productivity per hour was already likely garbage at some point.

However, that’s not the same as going from 40 to, say, 32 hours.

4315

My first professional job had a 7.5 hour work day. Something about knowledge based positions training off in effectiveness after 7 or so hours, so why force people to stay, I think was the logic. That being said, a fair number of people worked extra hours just to get somethings done.

4316

Japan’s work culture is a lot more… complicated than just they work a lot more than 40 hours to 80 hours. That’s what people pick up on because numbers are easy. It’s not that simplistic. They’re also suffering labor shortages and a stubbornest against trying to fix them in realistic ways.

You’re talking about a communal society vs an individual one AND again, it’s not just Japan experimenting in this area.

4317

I think most European Countries have 36 hour weeks or less.

4318

And way the shit more vacation.

Puritanism still haunts us. It is a disease. It must be eradicated.

4319

Amen to that.

4320

At a previous firm, Mr. Rheingans took a salary cut so he could spend two afternoons a week with his children. A few months later he asked for his salary to be reinstated because he was producing as much work as before. His partners agreed, though, he says, they were rankled by the arrangement. He started researching new work-time concepts before he purchased Digital Enabler.

That’s from the WSJ article. Again, these companies experimenting, but not only in Japan. This is not Japan.

4321

This fuckin guy…

4322

37,5 hours workweek in Denmark. 5 Weeks of law-enabled mandatory vacations though

4323

I think a lot of people in society in general won’t stand for it, simply because the idea that people around them are working so few hours offends them. Workaholics have enough power to torpedo programs like these on sight. See: Finland’s basic income experiment

4324

Going off on a tangent here, but with increasing automation of work, won’t societies have to adapt to a much shorter work week?

Getting back on topic, if Weinstein is found not guilty legally, what should his sanction be if any?

I mean it seems pretty open and shut that he is, errm, undesirable/immoral etc, but if the courts system can’t or won’t punish him, what are the options?

4325

Yep, middle managers need 45 hour weeks to fit all the important meetings in. And if they have to work those hours everyone else certainly has to.

4326

Ritual shunning.

The problem witht his is it easily gets applied in much less open and shut cases. And ignored if the guilty party has a sufficiently bolshy support network who don’t care. So I’m in two minds if in general it causes more bad behaviour than it solves. (If you look at the organisations that practice it formally, they are not generally people I as a humanist think have good ideas).

But in the case of Weinstein, ritual shunning.

4327

Hopefully jerkoff learned his lesson the heard way already when he was ridiculed at that club.

4328

Menzo’s linked CNN piece suggests he really hasn’t.

4329

Isn’t it one of those truths of psychology that basically narcissists will never “learn their lesson?”

Like my understanding is that if you truly are a narcissist, there really isn’t much hope of you getting better. The nature of the illness pretty much prevents it. I mean, narcissists generally never believe they are narcissists in the first place, no matter what they are told by how many people.

4330

No wonder all those Narcissists Anonymous meetings are so poorly attended!