I really hope you mistyped this somehow.
Awww, thatâd be a mistake! Iâm pretty sure I started as a registered Republican, like all good Texan 18yos. Was probably the default selection in the Lone Star State.
Why? Because we spent the last few days talking about the labels that racists put on their targets? What labels are those that we discussed? How much time have we committed to talking about what the targets of racism can do while all the others are trying to convert the racists, trying to lure these family and friends and co-workers to some more acceptable view of the world. When did we talk about that?
Sorry, Kelly. Sometimes babies gotta get tossed out with bathwater.
Yes youâre right, we all need to make sure to put RACISTS SHOULD STOP BEING RACIST BUT ALSO in front of all our P&R posts.
Or you could give the absolute fucking minimum benefit of the doubt to people posting here in good faith about ways to constructively effect anti-racist change in America. Either way, I guess.
Oh my god. You know what would be fun, is if this shit wasnât actually real.
Yeah, Iâm hearing No. 1. I am sure someone is going to tell me how completely wrong I am and what is actually being said is what Mr. Black Guy Insurance would convey.
edit: yep there it is, right above me.
Yeah, I always feel weird even joking about how fucking stupid it gets with white people and the whole sensitivity to âthe r wordâ thing. Just because black people really have to deal with it, on the regular.
For serious, let me know if you want me to delete my post with the videos. Itâs funny to me but I could see how it could be just straight up offensive or stupid to you.
No. Please donât. Itâs right on.
Itâs truthful and funny. Itâs exaggerating a real thing (itâs actually not that big of an exaggeration). And I think it might be happening right now even if itâs more fun for some to just piss on my different POV instead.
Nesrie, you just told @inactive_user that he cares more about racists than the victims of racism. Youâre really difficult to have a conversation with because you do this sort of thing routinely: ignore what people write and reply with some inflammatory and often unfounded accusation. Itâs unfair to the people attempting to have discussions in good faith.
-Tom
I understand what youâre saying here, but I donât really grasp the consequence of this failure to discriminate degrees of racism. I mean, racism isnât even a crime. There are no legal consequences for being a racist or saying racists things. The consequences are basically social, if they exist at all. So it isnât like the difference between assault and murder.
Actually if you followed the conversation Tom that was said to Christien and of course you arenât good at having this conversation in good faith. You want to tell me again how not racist Gman was?
Iâm reading what theyâre writing; what i am not doing is approaching it from the POV of a white man.
Do you want to accuse me again of inviting a white supremacist to the forum? We can go 'round and 'round all you like, but the fact of the matter is youâre unfair to many of the people with whom you have conversations on this forum. Itâs tedious and disruptive.
-Tom
You mean with Adam B. The one that posted a dozen Fuck You gifs? I donât recall you getting involved in that.
I am not accusing you of anything. Itâs what happened, but I donât expect you to see that, not even now.
That is the frame of the discussion, at least as posed by Christien.
Let me start here. These are the same thing.
I have made it very clear, Nesrie, that I took on your distinction in this regard. I agree with you on the point that in winning an election, we need to reach across the table (as you put it) to those who can be swayed. Who choose not to vote for whatever reason. Or might be wavering. I agree.
But I simply donât believe in lost causes, because I donât think that helps. If we want to make changes, we have to find the lost causes. Writing them off isnât going to help. Theyâre not like tax deductions. They donât just disappear. They continue to cause harm. So how do we deal with that.
Especially when they are in our families.
Cutting off a family member isnât like cutting off a dead tree branch. It is more like severing a nerve. You donât know what other parts are going to be affected. Thatâs just reality. So that is why Iâm trying to discuss this.
Simply accusing me of caring more about the racists rather than those accused of racism misses my larger point. If I sever those relationships, what does that mean down the road? Iâm trying to think two years down the road. Ten years down the road. The liberal and conservative parts of our family do not talk to each other, except for me. I have to be the go-between. Where has that gotten us? We have a racist in the White House.
Actually, we all have to deal with it. In myriad ways. Iâm not so presumptuous as to think what I have to deal with is what you have to deal with. I understand that there is a weight of pain that I do not understand. That is why Iâm proposing these points.
So what do we do. How do we change it?
-xtien
I would never ask you to severe the links to your family. You have a choice to confront racism or not. A lot of us donât. And sometimes hearing that point of view isnât pretty, it isnât nice, and itâs hard for both parties.
ButâŚ
Tom doesnât approve of me participating in this conversation, so I guess I am done.
When someone in my family starts saying stupid shit, and racist stuff is stupid shit, I call them on it. It doesnât always end in their agreement with me, but a lot of times what they were just talking about is something they know nothing about and they need to hear that. If you canât tell your family real talk, who can you tell it to then?
You donât have to cut them off or whatever, just be honest. Letting them bully you into feeling like you have to tiptoe around them isnât helping anyone except them to be that much more racist (or whatever dumb thing they choose) later on. I expect my family to do the same if I say or do stupid shit too.
Communicate. Expect disagreement. Weâre all different.
Please donât do that.
-xtien
The problem here is this. My folks were out here visiting, and we got into it in real time. There was a back and forth that was useful, in some ways. I donât think it helped a great deal, but we could go back and forth and read body language and interrupt and nod and then I could make them a meal.
Right now I barely talk to them. They live across the country and itâs all online. I cannot call my mom out on Facebook when she posts some stupid meme about how she is still behind Trump. Sheâd just post a Bible verse about how we should all be peaceful and get along. Which meansâŚagree with her.
So it becomes Guy Fieriâs Familial Flame Wars and itâs a net negative.
Youâre probably right. My problem is that I just donât want to engage anymore. Itâs exhausting. Which is part of Trumpâs strategy, I realize that. But not communicating with my family isnât helping. Itâs just easier.
So I think you hit the core of the problem.
-xtien