Wohl is absolute proof that if you are a white kid with rich parents, it is effectively impossible to fail, no matter how stupid you are.
For those that donât know, the Michigan AG is a Democrat and has no shits left to give. Sheâs gonna murder those two in court.
Good.
The whole reason I bring this up, is because it was really jarring to hear that Proud Boy was white supremacy group, Mika on Morning Joe did it again today, and then see the leader is black man. It gives ammunition to the Republican claim of fake news.
Here is the first sentence from Wikipedia on the Proud Boys." The Proud Boys are a far-right,[1][2] white nationalist,[3] and neo-fascist[4][5][6][7] male-only[8][9] organization that promotes and engages in political violence."
This sounds like a pretty awful organization, one which the President should be condemning. There is no need to add an additional adjective which is inaccurate.
While the difference between white nationalist and white supremacy is subtle they arenât synonymous.
I guess I really should have posted this in the Mainstream Media thread, but since it only takes few seconds to check Wiki, it is annoying when the media doesnât⌠Honestly, the key thing about them is they openly advocate violence which most hate groups donât do.
What would you say those differences are?
What, like Trump wasnât enough proof of this?
White nationalism is a type of nationalism or pan-nationalism which espouses the belief that white people are a race[1] and seeks to develop and maintain a white racial and national identity.[2][3][4] Its proponents identify with and are attached to the concept of a white nation, or a âwhite ethnostateâ.[5]
Analysts describe white nationalism as overlapping with white supremacism and white separatism.[6][4][7][8][9][10] White nationalism is sometimes described as a euphemism for, or subset of, white supremacism and the two have been used interchangeably by journalists and analysts.[8][11] White separatism is the pursuit of a âwhite-only stateâ while supremacism is the belief that white people are superior to nonwhites and should dominate them,[7][8][9] taking ideas from social Darwinism and Nazism.[12] White nationalists generally avoid the term âsupremacyâ because it has negative connotations.[13][14]
Yeah, that doesnât help. I read that and think âall three of those types of people are racists.â
I donât think you can suggest that itâs important to have a âwhite ethnostateâ in the US without inherently believing that everyone else is inferior.
Well, that was my takeaway. And my point. You win! :)
I agree both are racist. I think the primary difference is that a white nationalist group can have a black leader and a white supremacy group wouldnât. But most of all you donât want to get bogged down in a semantic argument with Proud Boys who claim they arenât a white supremacist group. Because it distracts from the main point they openly advocate violence, unlike Antifa which doesnât.
Jacob seems to have some concerns. Chin up, little warrior.
My feeling is that itâs not a discussion worth having, because it implies one or the other might have a point. Unless youâre getting down in the weeds with the analysis of fringe groups, I donât think the alt-right needs to be parsed any more than wacko Christian fundamentalists, anti-vaxxers, or UFO nuts. I donât care if someone thinks weâre being mind-controlled by lizard people or greys. They can have that discussion among themselves. Theyâre all nuts who donât deserve a voice in the political discourse.
-Tom
Yep, coming from the Michigan AG, he knows heâs in deep shit.
Iâm very excited to see Jacob Wohl bawl his eyes out in court when heâs charged.
Iâm saving that excitement for Trump. OTOH I have schadenfreude for fucking days.
Re: whether or not the Proud Boys are ackshual white supremacists, I think they decided it for themselves when they took Trumpâs statement, made in response to a question about white supremacists, as a direct call to action.
But yeah, the racists and the fascists have congealed into the same mass of people. Theyâre happy to have each otherâs support. So whether the terms are a hundred percent correct for every subgroup, they get to share and own all of them.
Well said, Tom.
I initially considered appending this to post with the charging documents to express my feelings.