I don’t often feel that way but it does seem like he’s laying it on pretty thick lately.
He’s certainly not a sealion. That’s silly.
Menzo
11147
Joking about violence against women is how we get to where we are.
He might as well have said “right to the moon, Pelosi, right to the moon!” While shaking his fist.
Thrag
11148
Again, who is saying outrage? I believe I used “shame” above if you require a bar for denouncing his comment.
Still WTF?
Timex
11149
As I said though, I don’t really see this as even rising to the level of “joking about violence”, any more than perhaps a cartoon.
I’m just using that term, but not as some kind of hyperbole.
Even if we were to change the term to “shameful”, I guess at that point I would agree, but perhaps for different reasons than some are suggesting.
To me, I might see it as shameful, in that it’s kind of uncouth for someone who wants to be speaker of the house to act in such an undiplomatic manner towards people that he would presumably have to deal with in the future. Although, honestly, even there I feel like I’m having a hard time really seeing this as something I find worthy of strong condemnation. But some, including some here, have suggested that the reason this particular case is so bad, is that it is related to violence against women, and I think I have a hard time buying into that, because the “violence” here is so fictitious, and Pelosi’s gender seems somewhat immaterial. I suspect the same type of statement could be made by McCarthy even if the Democratic speaker was a man.
But, as you’ve suggested, that may be because I’ve already suffered through the process of normalizing politicians turning politics into poltiical combat, where they talk about those of the other party as enemies to be defeated.
Hello? Timex? Is this thing on?
(I have the sneaking suspicion that he muted me for no good reason a few months ago when he accidentally thought a snide post I made was directed at him when it pretty-clearly wasn’t.)
Thrag
11151
You are literally searching for reasons to be contrarian here.
Timex
11152
Hey, all I’m doing here is explaining MY take on this, and why I originally suggested that those suggesting this is outrageous (again, not you, as I guess you find it less than outrageous) are perhaps overplaying their hand here.
I think probably even unserious jokes about doing violence to anyone have no real place in politics.
I also doubt that if the Speaker of the House were a man that McCarthy would be flapping his gums about hitting him.
Because he is a misogynist coward.
Careful, folks, we’ve got to take account of the universal law of conservation of opprobrium. There is only so much opprobrium to go around, and we’d best use it wisely!
There is zero chance that Kevin McShithole would have said he’d hit a fellow male with the hammer. Fuck him.
Edit: I spent 12% of my daily anger writing that post, in case anyone needs that data to figure out if my reaction is appropriate or if I’m over-spending my budget.
I’ll refund you 6%. Go forth and be angrier!
Also - I can totally see Pelosi making the exact same joke about McShitholeif the roles were reversed.
Both of those things can be true at the same time.
(I was not angry at all when I typed that - but I did just get pissed off at the ATT telemarketer who went right to calling me a racist when I told him to go away, so I have less of my daily anger budget remaining than Dave does.)
Sharpe
11159
So in line with Scott’s comments about the Law of Conservation of Opprobrium, I suggest we refer to posters who concern themselves with closely monitoring the outrage of our comments as “Opprobrium Regulation Commissioners”. The acronym writes itself.
YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME
Didn’t Pelosi go as far as you’d reasonably expect her to go when she correctly called McCarthy a moron? It’s one thing to offer a blunt assessment of someone’s character or intellectual capabilities, it’s another thing to joke about assaulting them. And of course, it’s especially loaded when the person joking about the assault is male, the other’s female.
And of course, the male is part of the Vanilla Isis.
C’mon guys, it’s a joke - Kev didn’t mean anything by it. He’s not going to hurt Nancy. He’s just trying to gin up the chuds so they’ll do it.
KevinC
11165
I don’t know. I don’t think a GOP congressman would be so irresponsible as to say things that might rile up their base to do something like that. That’s a bit of a stretch.
