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Boeing enters the chat.

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Interesting, but long piece byu David French, on the evolution of Christian Evangelist becoming a pro-trump political movement.

TL:DR Tump’s support among Evangelist rose during 2016-2020. Here is the catch, a large number of this folks, never go to church, have never read the bible. Anecdotally, some of them when expose to actual bible verse call it liberal propaganda! I’m no bible scholar, but it does. seem hard to imagine that Jesus would be evangelist Christian today.

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He is absolutely the opposite of them. They’re basically the pharisees he railed against.

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I don’t find that at all surprising. There’s an argument to be made that fundamentalist evangelicals have cultivated a secular/cultural version of Christianity that’s less about theology and more about social and political tribalism.

-Tom

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and greed.

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I have sincerely referred to my family that their religion is no longer christianity, but their politics, and that they are heretics.

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Exactly.

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Are we supposed to just already know what this is about?

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He frames it in a way to pass blame from himself to a someone else. Though that someone else his himself.

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I follow a pastor on Youtube who says as much about a lot of Christianity.

I disagree with him on some interpretations, but he’s very solidly in the “Joel Olsteen doesn’t preach the Word” camp.
The problem is that most of Christianity is fine with not saying anything about these heresies.
I think in a lot of ways they’re playing the same card the GOP did. Sure we don’t agree with them, but they give us political power, so we’ll play along.

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Almost all Christianity was a heresy at one time or another. Heck, the religion itself was a heresy. I mean, most people who talk about what Jesus would think of “his religion today” don’t seem to realize they’re talking about a devout Jewish rabbi, and not a Christian. Jesus was never a Christian.

-Tom

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It’s about authoritarian social control. It’s not just tribalism.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmJU-T4brPk

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…didn’t he count as a Christian after the resurrection?

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Indeed. He kept kosher and never went to church on Sunday. He never baptized anyone. He only celebrated the Eucharist once and did it in the middle of a meal. His only prescription for forgiveness of sins was to forgive others. His only prescriptions for admission to the kingdom of heaven was to sell everything you have and take care of people in need. He never preached about saving souls. He never talked about universal damnation nor universal divine mercy nor a universal church. He never mentioned a trinity nor a holy spirit. He would have scoffed at nearly every line of the Nicene Creed.

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Jesus never had a chance to own an AR15 rifle though. I can’t imagine he would have passed up the opportunity, given the zealous addiction many of his followers have for that particular idol.

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Jesus was more into whips (John 2:15). Probably due to his archaeology hobby.

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Thanks for reminding me to stay out of conversations about religion on the forum! Sometimes I forget.

-Tom