Yeah, that’s a key point. The Dems really have no part of this, they are assumed to be yes votes for impeachment/conviction/removal at every step of the way. This is a Republican on Republican fight over whether it tarnishes the party image more to keep a killer in office vs having to be seen debating whether to remove a killer.
Doesn’t Noem despise his guts?
Doctorow illustrates Ron Johnson’s tax plan shenanigans as part of a great thread looking at the taxes of the rich and powerful and how the tax code essentially gets bought and sold…
Thrag
13575
If you work hard and pull yourself up by your bootstraps you can overcome homelessness and lead a successful life just like, uh, Hitler?
Menzo
13576
You just gotta wonder why so many Republicans are seemingly constantly thinking about Hitler and can think of no other better examples to use for whatever point they’re trying to make.
I’ve often wondered this as well. But it seems there is something in the zeitgeist at least for some folks that has extracted Hitler from the broader concept of the war and the Reich and if not exactly sanitized him have turned him into a sort of place holder/symbol for things like decisiveness, redemption of a nation, leadership, all of that (the stuff Hitler wanted the Germans to think and which they did for a while, until they didn’t).
I have seen this with my college age students occasionally. Not that any of them were Nazi sympathizers at all, or even particularly right wing. They had, though, at some point probably from their parents I’m guessing, heard a distorted version of history that painted Hitler as a guy who took Germany from a defeated and discriminated against country to a world power, built fancy highways, and took on the Commies or something. They don’t associate Hitler with the Nazis more broadly, and certainly not with the Holocaust (about which they usually know little or nothing). What have they heard about? The Autobahn, of course, and they laud Hitler for that taking it totally in isolation.
So if young people are getting this sort of stuff from home, clearly there is a strain of this kind of thinking going around fairly widely.
I posted this just before the outage, so here it goes again:
During the event — where the guest list included prominent Republican elected officials and candidates for office — Nephi Khaliki Oliva, a firearms instructor listed as the founder of the concealed carry weapons training group Vegas CCW, presented a slide titled “Firearm Safety for Black People.” One so-called “rule” for Black people who carry firearms was “always lick the chicken grease off your fingers before shooting.” Those comments were met with laughter from the audience, videos of the incident posted online show.
Thrag
13579
We’ll start our own debate commission. With orgies and blow.
Menzo
13580
From now on, Tucker Carlson will be the only approved debate moderator.
ShivaX
13581
Debates are irrelevant when votes stop mattering anyway.
KevinC
13582
Facts stopped mattering so I guess votes are a logical continuation of that.
Scotten
13583
Can the Democratic party withdraw from the Electoral College? Take that, Ronna McDonald!
KevinC
13585
Avid Constitutionalist Mike Lee:.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/15/mike-lee-trump-2020-election/
Timex
13586
Looking for ways you can win within the rules is very different from trying to break the rules. I think this is a non trivial difference between what someone like Mike Lee did, and something that other trumpists did.
I don’t think anyone is saying it’s illegal. They’re saying it shows contempt for the basic principle of fidelity to the constitution. And I think they’re right.
Timex
13588
If it’s legal under the Constitution, then doing it isn’t at odds with supporting the Constitution.
To be clear, if he actually tried to break the law, then that’s different… But looking for some constitutional rule that would allow Trump’s victory, or some example of fraud, that’s not at odds with the constitutional rule of law.
Being a rules lawyer isn’t being anti rules, like many of Trump’s other sycophants definitely were. Many of Trump’s other supporters basically said, “fuck the rules, Trump should win!”
If Mike Lee did something like that, it’s much worse than looking for a way to bend the rules.
This is the same kind of error as saying that a President can’t be engaging in obstruction of justice by firing someone, because the President has the authority to fire someone.
The constitution contemplates that there will be elections, that voters will generally decide the outcome of those elections, and that elected officials who lose will generally accept the will of the voters.
Timex
13590
No, it’s very different than that, because the current state of constitutional law makes some of that stuff against the rules.
Turns out, most things in law are much more complex than you realize, and trying to use those laws to benefit your side is a major component of our legal system. It’s not the same as being against the rule of law.
Bear in mind here, I don’t like Mike Lee, I don’t really want to defend him, but in this case there is an important distinction between what I think he did, and what some of the other trumpists did.
