Again, I donāt see the point. People donāt murder police officers to intimidate law enforcement. They murder them in moments of exigency. This isnāt The Untouchables weāre talking about here. Weāre talking about an asshole stealing a car who shoots a police officer because he wants to get away or he panicked or is a dumbass. Or all those things. How is that more intimidating than a shooter in a school murdering a teacher? Or some psycho killing a soldier? Or, for that matter, an arsonist setting a fire that kills a fireman? I honestly donāt get your point. Iām not being belligerent here, I just donāt get it.
Hereās the thing, the driver for a bank robbery is exactly as liable as the people who might commit murder inside the bank. So this point just doesnāt make sense to me. If youāre gonna have the death penalty, have it. But donāt pretend that one personās life is worth more than mine or my kidās because of the job he chose.
-xtien
RichVR
1927
Some gangs use killing a cop as an initiation.
rowe33
1928
Seems like that would be one extremely short-lived gang.
I doubt they do it for long.
Site me one reverence. Bird Man!
-xtien
Timex
1931
I guess Iām thinking about the dude in Pennsylvania who had something against cops, and tried to murder them at the state trooper barracks a few years back.
Itās not quite the same as since organized crime group trying to intimidate cops, but itās someone who is essentially targeting them for being law enforcement.
In this case, that dude is already gonna get the death penalty though.
Nesrie
1932
Yeah we already have laws and charges for that too.
Frein was indicted on a total of twelve charges, including terrorism
RichVR
1933
Okay. Iāll admit that I canāt find any cites. I believe that itās because any combination of cop, police, gang and initiation come up with stories about gangs but none about gang murders of police specifically.
I made the comment because I lived in NYC in the 70s and it was a recurring thing. As well my cousin Angelo, who retired as a police captain, told me stories.
As well, just because a cop is shot, how would they know who killed them? The gangs donāt advertise. A shot to the head in a police car has no label. I guess I lose this discussion.
I had no idea that was a recurring thing in the 70s. It doesnāt make sense logically. But neither did the 70s, so for that matter.
I wish I could hear some of Angeloās stories. For some reason it reminds me of the movie State of Grace.
-xtien
RichVR
1935
He was a great cop. Whenever we got together for family stuff Iād always make sure that I got some time with him to talk.
One story:
He was in Crown Heights. He pulled up behind a car that was stopped in an intersection so that the driver could talk to some people. They were ultra-orthodox Jews. He got out of his car and gave them a traffic citation.
The next week he was transferred to Coney Island (a really bad precinct at the time).
It took him a while to get out.
Edit: He was in the NY Daily News because he stopped a bank robbery while off duty.
Ok, but if gangs who kill cops as initiation donāt talk about killing cops as initiation, then how would we know that gangs kill cops as initiation? Sounds a bit urban legendy to me.
RichVR
1938
Because, sometimes those asshole cops finds a clue? Because, ultimately, someone talks?
Then, recordsā¦? Ought to be a media story or two about that.
Natives need to protect the American language agaisnt the terrorists usurpers like Illhan Obamar.
When I was a kid I saw a documentary about a cop-killing gang like this. They murdered several cops in Detroit.
Timex
1942
They blew that guyās hand off.
I live in Omarās district. If the GOP bothers to attach its name to some loser here, they typically finish third or worse. I wouldnāt worry too much.
