Nesrie
1731
So you and Rshetts and Synth can’t think of anyway to have a discussion that doesn’t involve insulting the opposing view in this… yep that certainly advertises QT3 is such a mature and “different” community it couldn’t possibly devolve. Way to show us.
As opposed to merely fear mongering?
That’s what it is, isn’t it? Likes will lead to tragedy, that’s the argument you and @malkav11 put forth, because you’ve both seen it happen before.
If people are going to get insulted over a chicken little reference, then I agree this place is screwed. By all means pull the plug now before the likes kill us all!
I agree, like, etc.
If every time someone comes and argues that likes are fine and you guys are making a list of things that hasn’t happened and saying that’s why we can’t do it, and you tell them that they are being insulting, there’s no discussion.
Until the bad things happen you are making slippery slope arguments. That’s just the definition of the thing. No one is calling you a slippery slope person, whatever that would look like. And if you’re mad about the chicken little reference, then wow, there’s pretty much no conversation we can have.
Nesrie
1735
There really hasn’t been a conversation for awhile now. You don’t have to agree with someone’s opinion, but it would be nice if you kept the personal attacks to yourselves. It’s not a slippery slope. There have been people, including Tom who literally told you these things have already happened… you just don’t read it or believe it.
I was talking about the other things, not that one particular one thing.
Like half of stussers cons list.
Also, you’ve complained twice about personal attacks when I literally didn’t see any.
Nesrie
1737
And you think the word snowflake is what in modern conversations?
I didn’t say you have never been personally insulted, but I do think you’re taking that too personally. I can point at arguments from “your side” that were at least as personal as that.
Nesrie
1739
So when you say you literally didn’t see any personal attacks and then you say you didn’t say I’ve never been personally insulted. wth.
How about just sticking to viewpoints. How about not targeting someone’s point of view and thinking you can come to some ridiculous conclusion about the person at all. It is perfectly fine to disagree with someone’s POV but the way you guys are just piling on… it does not bode well for a community that claims to be somehow so mature to be immune to the pile on effects that likes tend to encourage.
This is not a shining example of why likes should not be a problem.
Soma
1740
You know what, that Chicken Little dig is a bit much, because you didn’t capitalise Chicken Little. Without the capital letters, “chicken little” is it just schoolyard insult. Having not watched Chicken Little I cannot comment on whether it is still a schoolyard insult.
Improper capitalisation breeds misunderstanding. This is a friendly note from your friendly neighborhood grammar-nazi. Friendly. And rainbows.
Actually, I said two of the times you said you were personally attacked I literally didn’t see it. I could be wrong.
I never said you were never personally attacked though.
RichVR
1743
I’ve said it before. I can take likes or leave them. But as a “reasoned discussion” the whole thing blows. And we have a whole 30 days to have a “reasoned discussion”. That’s a month of blowing.
I don’t know if I can take a month of blowing.
The exaggeration doesn’t help your case here. All I have ever said is that likes sometimes replace posts and that constitutes a chilling effect on conversation. I’m not claiming that it’s necessarily going to be dramatic (although it has been in some contexts), and I’m certainly not claiming that it’s going to kill Qt3. It’s even possible it won’t impact Qt3 to speak of. I just think likes aren’t worth whatever negative effects they may have on the conversation here, no matter how small, because I don’t value them at all. Obviously you do and that’s fine. What’s not cool is just arbitrarily stating they have no negative effects and never will like this is a proven fact.
That you’ve decided haven’t happened. We are talking about a gradual effect that will take a lot longer than a few weeks to manifest in a clearly identifiable way, assuming it does. We’ve certainly heard from a couple of people that they’ve liked things instead of posting, which is exactly what I was predicting.
The amount of heat you people are generating over a like button is truly baffling.
Apparently enough for you to throw in your own comment!
I don’t think it’s all that baffling. This forum has been around for a very long time without likes. Introducing a change is going to trigger some discontent, because people can be distrustful of change.
Question for you though. We’ve had likes for a month. If they never return, will that bother you? If it will bother you in some small way, then that’s what’s behind people posting who have decided they don’t want likes. They feel bothered too.
Teiman
1748
I don’t want the internet to go the direction of social media. Where every place is a panopticon capturing your preferences and choices, and you are 100% constantly judged by the system and other users, so if you are not generating enough likes, the system knows.
And I don’t think giving that internet to the future generations is a good thing. The internet we received or helped create was one of chaos and total freedoom.
Somebody said in this thread that fighting likes is like fighting the effects of a illness and not the cause. Well… is something we do, when somebody have fever, we try to lower his temperature. We do fight the symptoms.
Is this important here in QT3?, no, is not. Having likes will not kill us, and likes are fun. But I think is bad for the Internet and bad for the future generations.
Okay, that seems very similar to the arguments I have heard from the Christian right about gay marriage. That it’s a symptom, but that it illness has to be treated.
Now, gay marriage is a fundamental human rights, and likes certainly are not, so, that’s as far as that analogy, but when you use a similar argument to the Christian right, it does put me on edge. If you have a better argument, I would suggest using it.
Teiman
1750
I don’t have a better argument. And you may think your analogy is too far fetched, but actually I know it may have resonances like that.
What do you think about the internet we are building? is the right direction?
