I believe that the first rule is to drink it how you like it*. Fuck other people**.

However, I think the corollary is that if you like it in a way that you can substitute it out and save a ton of money and still like it then why waste the money.

Like I love bourbons and I there’s a huge range of bottles I am happy to spend the money on to try out. But if I am feeling a bourbon and coke I am going to go with something solid in the $20 range or whatever because honestly I am not going to like a $40 bottle that much better. But everyone has their own taste on those tipping points.

* Real first rule is don’t drink and drive.
** Because fuck other people but don’t endanger them.

Speaking of bourbon, recently we made homemade vanilla. We made two styles, one with vodka one with bourbon.

Now I have had bourbon before, but never been top of my list. But for this I did some research and wound up getting the Evan Willims white label Bottle in Bond, $33 for 1.75L

It was fantastic. I really enjoy it.

One of my favorite drinks, if not my total favorite, is a Bulleit rye Manhattan. While the mix is delightful, I have no problem drinking it straight. Or sometimes with a single ice cube to open the flavor a bit.

Edit: Who else here does the same? A nice dram of the liquor is wonderful. But popping an ice cube into a pony glass? That becomes a flavor trip. So enjoyable.

Yeah, I don’t often drink whiskey or bourbon but when I do it’s generally just with ice.

I have an ice tray that makes oversized ice cubes that I really like for that occasion. Cool it down, add a little water, but doesn’t water it down too much if I’m taking my time enjoying something. Only a few bucks, definitely think it’s worth having if you like to drink whiskey on the rocks sometimes.

That’s how I think about it. If I’m mixing it with something I’m masking the taste somewhat, so go with something less expensive. The difference in taste will be minor.

But I’m not a spirits guy. I can taste the difference when sipping a single barrel vs. a mixed barrel.

I drink spirits once a week, and it’s usually Bulleit or Crowne Royal one ice. And I tend to overdo it.

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Now I’m going to make a Bulleit Rye and Diet Pepsi and toast to RichVR!

Ummm, I am a single malt whisky neat man, so…no ice. I always opt for a glass of lukewarm tap water nearby instead.

Represent! My nicer rye, whiskey, and scotch go into these for slow sipping. [I have nothing against ice, for those who like it, and I’ve tried all of my nicer stuff with ice as well. Some of the cask strength products are a little overpowering without a big ice cube or dash of water.]

Do we have a hung over thread? Ugh… I’m too old for this. Sun burned and hung over…

I have cut back heavily on drinking, but tonight, fuck it. I just want to retire and move out into the forest away from civilization. I might have drank way too much beer tonight.

If you’re getting into Bourbon, do some reading about who is actually making the ones you like, then try some other brands owned by that distiller. There are only four or five companies that make or own almost all of the brands you commonly find. Personally, Heaven Hill has become one of my favorite Bourbon distillers, so I’ll try or buy about anything they produce. Among their commonly-found brands are Larceny, Henry McKenna, Elijah Craig, and Evan Williams (winner of my “Wow, this is good and amazingly cheap” award, especially the White Label Bottled in Bond). Heaven Hill makes a green label Evan Williams that is younger & even cheaper (supposed to be $8 to $9), but has limited distribution. Haven’t tried that, but if anyone can make such a thing that isn’t complete rotgut, Heaven Hill can.

The other interesting thing to look for is how many small brands don’t actually make their own product. Look for small print on the bottle or label, and if it says “Distilled in Lawrenceburg, IN” then it was made at the huge MGP of Indiana distillery, then just bottled by someone else under their brand. MGP offers a very wide variety of mash blends, aging times, and liquor blends, so it doesn’t all taste the same. They won’t reveal their customer list (despite the Lawrenceburg, IN label being a dead giveaway), but the big guys buy a lot from MGP, too. Its biggest customer is Diageo, a trans-Atlantic behemoth formed by merging Guinness and Grand Metropolitan (who already owned Heublein’s former liquor division, which included Smirnoff & the US rights to a lot of big brands like Jose Cuervo and Guinness products). So if you have an assortment of US bourbons and whiskeys, there’s a good chance a lot of it actually came from MGP.

The best example of MGP’s dominant place in distilled liquor is rye whiskey. Most distillers don’t make their own rye, they buy it from MGP by the barrel or traincar & bottle it. Here’s a list from the Wikipedia page about MGP giving the known brands that buy MGP’s 95% rye mash bill bourbon: Angel’s Envy, Bulleit Rye, Filibuster, George Dickel Rye, High West, James E. Pepper, Redemption, Smooth Ambler, and Templeton Rye.

Some of those brands blend different whiskeys in (often also purchased from MGP) and add more or less water to set themselves apart, but try a blind taste test with a few of those. Some will taste exactly the same because they literally are the same thing. Add a little more water to a higher proof version & then compare it to a lower proof version. They should taste very, very similar.

I like Bulleit’s regular bourbon, but it is an interesting pile of marketing bullshit, too. Seagram bought that brand from Tom Bulleit in 1997, and started having it made at their Four Roses Distillery (which has since passed through several hands until ending up owned by Kirin Brewing). Diageo bought the brand from Seagram, and marketed Bulleit to huge commercial success. But there was no Bulliet distillery until Diageo opened one in 2017. Bulleit doesn’t have an age statement, other than it is aged “at least six years.” So all of the regular Bulleit we’re drinking until at least 2023 will still be stuff distilled at the Four Roses plant by Kirin. Despite the shiny new distillery, they still aren’t making their own rye either, they are staying with the MGP stuff. Not exactly the “Frontier Whiskey” story the marketing campaign pushes.

I have not cut back though I’m back to normal drinking level, not, “we’re going to die from COVID,” a month ago. No matter, tonight, fuck it. Long week, tired of craziness, politics, impossible timelines at work and it’s time.

Cheers folks!

IPA night, Stone Enjoy By to start.

Followed by Sierra Nevada Imperial Hazy IPA. Cleaning out the fridge tonight.

I am not drinking any more. OTOH I am not drinking any less.

Hat tip to Mitch Hedberg.

Yeah, one of the shittiest weeks I have had in awhile. Might quit my job, extremely stressed. Having a beer or two…

Man, sorry to hear that. My work is now the product of timelines pushed so far back they are MUST GO but the issue is that means in-office after hours and upcoming travel. Everything has been put off but now, in the middle of a large outbreak, its go time. Stressful.

I hope yours works out, Lee. Cheers to relaxing tonight, though.

Love that guy and miss him. I have two of his old CDs in the car. I identify with him because he looked at things differently but also because he was deathly afraid of speaking in front of crowds.

Thanks @Skipper, it will all work out in the end. Cheers.

It’s weird how even just one beer has made me much more relaxed.