The Muslim Ban: America Loses Its Mind.

A not-so short anecdote that may illustrate the insidious effects of Trump’s policies.

My wife works for Fairfax County, a very populous and extremely prosperous region abutting DC. The county has just over a million people living in it – we’re still largely “suburban”, but it’s a very dense suburb.

We also have a hugely cosmopolitan and diverse population: if you have a Hispanic family living next to you with thick accents, it’s even odds that they are recent immigrants or the family of a functionary at the Ecuadorian embassy.

My wife is an ESL Teacher: English as a Second Language. I think they have a new acronym, actually, but I always forget it. Most schools in the county have between one and five ESL teachers (who act as in-class assistance for the regular teachers) because the non-English population is so huge and diverse here.

My wife doesn’t work in a school though – she’s one of the cadre of ESL teachers who work in a central office evaluating kids who are new to the county and whose parents indicated that a language other than English might be spoken at home. The kids come in and the specialists (like my wife) determine if the kids are “Level 1” (no English whatsoever), a “Level 5” (absolutely fluent in English with no accommodations needed), or something in between.

OK, that’s a long introduction. Here’s the point: My wife and her colleagues get kids from all over the planet, but there are some language concentrations: something like 20% of the kids speak Korean, 20% Hindi, 10% Arabic, and close to 40% speak Spanish.

After Trump’s election and especially after the last week’s massive raids, the proportion of Spanish-speaking kids coming into the center has dropped to a trickle.

A Trump supporter may cheer - that’s good, they’d say, fewer illegals are coming in! The raids are working!

But that’s not true. It’s almost inconceivable that the raids have actually deported a vast number or stopped the flow, it’s just that these people are afraid to come in to the centers because they fear they’ll be rounded up and sent back. So instead they are not submitting their kids to the school system.

But that’s good, says the hypothetical Trump supporter! These illegal kids are no longer a burden on our people and taxes! The raids are working!

Yeah, not so much. First, these kids may or may not be American citizens. Many of them may have been born here, but they don’t speak fluent English because they only speak Spanish at home. Secondly, what is the absolute BEST outcome of this crap situation? The kids never go to school and skulk around trying to avoid being noticed until they are adults? Adults with no schooling and no skills?

I’m preaching to the choir here on Qt3, but it really sickens me. My wife told me about this little kid the other day: She’s going to be a 2nd-grader (so about 7 years old) and her parents were educated/brave enough to know that the school system would not turn them in to ICE, so they brought her in to be tested. One portion of the test has to be administered without the parents in the room, so you have to take the kid away. When the teacher gently told the little girl that they needed to go in the other room to take the test, this little kid turned pale and started trembling violently. She was honestly convinced that she was quite literally never going to see her parents again.

Fuck Trump and his hatred of brown people. And fuck the idiots who put this monster in charge.

I don’t know why so many people in the comments think this is an ordinary experience that happens to people everyday. It certainly is not. I wonder how many people who think that have actually left the country in recent years.

Trump apparently thinks the vandalism and threats against the Jewish community may be a false-flag operation.

Man, what the hell. As you said, preaching to the choir, but this is the same insidious shit that will cause a spike in crime. Make it so vulnerable people are no longer able to trust the system, and injustices pile up. If you can’t trust the cops in a community then criminals have free reign.

You know like 9/11 and Sandy Hook.

Damn globalists (where globalist always means Jews).

By jews? By… people who want to make anti-semites look bad?

This guy is seriously messed up in the head. Like, his fucking brain isn’t working anymore. He is senile.

Damn, that’s sad, @Tin_Wisdom.

he was led in an interview to finally parrot the possibility that is obama is working against him and that’s why the trump white house is in disarray.

Hey remember that security stuff? Yeah, it’s apparently not about that.

From that statement, you’d think we were only taking refugees from Muslim countries today… which is not true. That’s just a program of a specific political talking point.

Rachel Maddow just broke a travel ban story (includes the leaked DHS report):

The Rachel Maddow Show has obtained, exclusively, a Department of Homeland Security intelligence assessment document. The document, from the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, makes the case that most foreign-born, U.S.-based violent extremists are likely not radicalized when they come to the U.S., but rather become radicalized after living in the U.S. for a number of years.

The document follows another piece of research (pdf) from Homeland Security that undercut President Trump’s rationale for a travel ban as a means of keeping violent extremists out. On Friday, the Associated Press published an analysis from Homeland Security that said citizenship in any given country – including the seven countries listed in the executive order – is likely an unreliable indicator of whether someone poses a terrorist threat.

The new assessment, obtained by the Rachel Maddow Show and dated March 1, tracks 88 violent, foreign-born extremists in the United States. More than half of them had been in the U.S. more than 10 years before they were indicted or killed.

Homeland Security tonight has confirmed the authenticity of the document. The department says production of it began in August 2016, and that it likely would have reached the White House. We have asked the White House for comment tonight. They have not responded.

Video opens with a long history of the ban:

Fake news Reuters at it again.

[quote]
Part of the reason for the proposal is to deter mothers from migrating to the United States with their children, said the officials, who have been briefed on the proposal.

The policy shift would allow the government to keep parents in custody while they contest deportation or wait for asylum hearings. Children would be put into protective custody with the Department of Health and Human Services, in the “least restrictive setting” until they can be taken into the care of a U.S. relative or state-sponsored guardian.

Currently, families contesting deportation or applying for asylum are generally released from detention quickly and allowed to remain in the United States until their cases are resolved. A federal appeals court ruling bars prolonged child detention.[/quote]

Are we really becoming this?

Trump’s false flag claim probably got an effective boost today with the arrest of one of the folks threating Jewish centers being a black liberal anti-Gamergate Muslim activist.

Juan Thompson- also worked for NPR.

If it’s true (and it probably is)- what a complete scumbag.

His sister still packs pretty mean right hook.

You just have to question the sanity of the ICE folks. A black man, with the name of Muhammad Ali Jr, uh gee do you think he might possibly be related to the guy who was at one point the most famous person in the world. Who’s conversion to Islam has been told, a hundred or maybe a thousand times on TV.

I don’t what pisses me off more: detaining a Muslim America for his religion in the first place, or sheer stupidity of not realizing how bad this make the country look.

Here’s another contender:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/us/california-father-ice-arrest-trnd/index.html

This is so damned disgusting I can’t even formulate a response right now.

This.

What’s also depressing about it is that these people were probably all working in ICE before Trump did… whatever it is that he’s doing. Now they just have a green light to behave how they’ve apparently wanted to behave all along.

There was a similar story of the owner of a Mexican restaurant and pillar of the community who is being deported for 2 DUI he had 20 years ago when he was in his twenties. The judge got character reference from everybody from the chief of police, to the mayor and head of the chamber of commerce. It is heart breaking

Personally, I’m with Bill Kristol we should replace lazy Americans, with hard working immigrants. However, at least these people broke a couple of law, coming here illegally and then drunk driving. An American citizen who’s only crime is being Muslim, I have no words.

What bothers me about this even more is what is the point of this exercise. Like does the Pope have to show up and vouch for you or is it some checkbox they have that won’t make a lick of difference?

Anyhoo, the ban has been patched.

According to the release notes, the effects on Iraqis, current visa holders, and current green card holders have been nerfed.

Robert Reich thinks it will also be overthrown since it’s still a Muslim ban. I’m not as optimistic.