A wise college coach very rarely went for 2 unless he had to. Why? He said that if they’re giving you points you damn well take them. End of story. I can think of so many games where a team got greedy, went for 2 instead of 1, and it came back to haunt them.

Colt McCoy to likely start for Browns

“It’s only the Steelers, right?” Mangini said with a perfect touch of sarcasm. “Coming off a bye week? They don’t blitz much.”

Man, talk about a lousy way to begin a football career… not just to lead a bad team, but to do so against one of the baddest defenses in the NFL… in a rivalry game.

TD jets. 9 point lead. 4.5 minutes left. Ovah.

Agree 100%.

It constantly amazes me how many NFL coaches suck at things like basic clock management and when to go for 2 pt conversions. You could hire a kid straight out of college for 30k a year who could tell when to go for it.

And then another thing I don’t get, but see all the time. Vikes need the ball. They need to force a 3-n-out regardless and only need FG range afterwards. Go for the onside kick. You miss, you need a 3-n-out anyway and covering 60 yards for FG range isn’t that much worse than covering 30 in the 2 minute drill.

Edit: Fortunately for the Vikes, the Jet’s coach is as stupid as Childress. My god, you couldn’t manage the clock any worse than that.

Goddamnit, Theyre going to tell us how much Brett Favre loves to play football if he pulls this off. Terrible clock management by the Jets. Gave the Vikrs thte time out they wasted on the 2 pointer right back.

Vikings down by two, Favre with the ball with two minutes left, and I’m thinking, man, how many times have we seen this before? He’s going to throw an interception, of course.

And sure enough! I think nobody has ever choked under pressure as reliably as Favre.

No one has ever done anything as much as Favre. He’s played forever. We’ve seen him forever. He has the most of everything.

Not even Romo?

While that’s true, it really does seem like his failure rate in big moments is higher than it was in the past. I don’t know how you can look at him throwing game losing picks in two of the last three NFC title games and say that’s ok. Or throwing a pick when he could have lead the Vikings to a win tonight. While there are other factors involved, I do think there is a good chance that Favre’s brain still thinks his body can do things (like needle a pass where it should have been thrown) that it really can’t do anymore.

Edit: I like Michael Silver’s sports writing in general, but this articleseems like one of those where he went with his story even when the game didn’t turn out in a way that justified it.

Actually Sarkus, his failure rate in big moments has been exactly the same since 1996. Epic Fail in all counts.
It’s a game you can play. Brett behind, 2 min left…there will be a sack,INT or a fumble. It is a universal constant. I called that INT last night when there were 7 minutes left on the clock. Just watch, now with a losing record, there will be an overabundance of Screw ups and bad passes, because in the mind of Favre, only Favre can save the Vikings.

Look, I hate Brett Favre, and will take every (legitimate) chance to bash him. This is ridiculous, though. The man has something like 42 come from behind/overtime victories in his career. He’s been bad at it in the last few years but that ain’t the same as saying “since 1996.”

Actually, scratch that. The year is 2009. Brett Favre and the Vikings are losing to the 49ers; with a few seconds left, Favre throws a laser to some nobody WR (Greg Lewis) 30 yards downfield, winning the game on a touchdown pass in the back of the end zone. He threaded a needle on that play. I utterly hated it.

You’re crazy.

Yeah, I hate Favre too, but that’s just silly.

That said, Greg Lewis made a STUPID good catch on that play. Favre put that pass on a line to him, but Lewis’s catch was just unheard of.

Favre is just as likely to torpedo the team as he is to win it all for them. About a 50/50 shot, there, I think.

Ok, since 2002.

January 20th, 2002 – NFC Divisional Playoff Six, COUNT EM’, SIX, interceptions.
January 4th, 2003 – NFC Wild Card Playoff Last six possessions, the Pack committed four turnovers, including an interception and a lost fumble by Favre.
January 11th, 2004 – NFC Divisional Playoff INT Overtime. Game over.
January 20th, 2008 – NFC Championship INT Overtime Game over…and may I say cost the Pats a perfect season.
2008 Jets Season- Last 5 games. 9 INTs 2 TD, cost them the playoffs.

Okay, now do the research on the other games Favre’s had in the same timeframe and look for his fourth quarter comebacks and clutch plays.

Why? These are the ones that end seasons, the only ones that really count.
Look, he has his moments, I’ll just take the Payton Manning’s or Tom Brady’s over the cowboy gunslingers.

But ok: 14 4th quarter come from behind games. Most seem to be in the first half of the season. Same amount of time Tom Brady had 28. I can’t find Manning’s. But Baby manning has just as many as Farve in half the time. Does that make him awesome?

Since you won’t, I will. Looking only at Favre’s late-game playoff stuff, looking for games decided in the fourth quarter by using Wikipedia:

1993 playoffs. GB 28, DET 24. Favre throws a 40-yard TD pass to Sterling Sharpe with 55 seconds left.

1995 playoffs. Favre throws a pick-six in the NFC Championship game to ice it for Dallas.

1997 playoffs. Favre drives the Packers down for a score after Tampa Bay pulled within 6. He ran the 2-point in himself to ice it.

1998 playoffs
. I’ll let Wiki tell it. “Trailing 23-20 with 2 minutes remaining, Favre lofted a 15-yard touchdown pass to Freeman, completing an 89-yard drive that had seen the Packers run a risky 4th-and-1 play from deep in their own territory and Favre completing a 47-yard pass to seldom-used rookie receiver Corey Bradford. But San Francisco responded with an equally impressive drive, in which Jerry Rice visibly fumbled and instant replay was not in effect until the following year, allowing the drive to continue behind Young, who completed 7-of-9 passes in a 76-yard drive for the winning score,. Owens, who had dropped four passes and lost a fumble, caught the 25-yard winning touchdown pass with eight seconds left in the game (a.k.a. The Catch II).”

2001 playoffs. “In the fourth quarter, Hearst’s 22-yard reception and 10-yard run set up a 14-yard touchdown pass from Garcia to Tai Streets, who also caught a subsequent 2-point conversion pass to tie the game at 15. But Green Bay responded with a 49-yard drive and retook the lead with a 45-yard field goal from Longwell. Then on San Francisco’s ensuing possession, defensive back Mike McKenzie deflected a pass from Garcia into the arms of Tyrone Williams for an interception on the Packers 7-yard line. Favre took over from there, leading the Packers on an 8-play 93-yard drive for the game clinching touchdown, featuring two key third down completions to Driver. The first was 37-yard completion third down and 12. Later, Driver caught a 12-yard pass on the 49ers 9-yard line on third down and 6. On the next play, running back Ahman Green scored on a 9-yard touchdown run with 1:55 left in regulation.”

2003 NFL playoffs. “Seattle went three-and-out on their next drive, and Chatman returned Rouen’s punt 21 yards to the Seahawks 49-yard line. Favre once again led the Packers on another long scoring drive, moving the ball 49 yards in 12 plays and consuming 6:51 off the clock. Green finished the drive with another 1-yard touchdown run, and Longwell’s extra point gave the Packers a 27-20 lead with 2:39 left in regulation. But Hasslbeck responded by completing 3 of 5 passes for 59 yards, including a 34-yard pass to Engram, on the way to Alexander’s third 1-yard touchdown run to tie the game. Favre’s 27-yard completion to Walker on the Packers ensuing drive gave them a chance to win, but Longwell missed a 47-yard field goal attempt on the last play of the fourth quarter, and it went into overtime. After both teams went three-and-out on their first drives of the extra period, Seattle drove to their own 45-yard before Harris’ 52-yard interception return for a touchdown won the game.”

Mentioned because Favre put them in position for a FG to end the game, but it was missed. The deciding score was a pick-six of the other QB.

Same year, NFC Championship: “Philadelphia won the coin toss in overtime, but they were forced to punt after three plays and Chatman returned the ball 15 yards to the 42-yard line. However, defensive back Brian Dawkins intercepted Favre’s first pass of the ensuing drive and returned it 35 yards to the Packers 34-yard line. An 11-yard run by Staley and an 8-yard reception by Pinkston then set up a 31-yard field goal from Akers to win the game.”

Favre mistake.

2007 NFL playoffs: “Green Bay won the coin toss to start the extra period, but on the second play of overtime Favre’s pass, which would be his last as a Packer, was intercepted by Giants defensive back Corey Webster, who returned the ball 9 yards to the Green Bay 34-yard line. The Giants gained five yards on three plays and then sent Tynes out to try his fifth field goal of the game, and his longest attempt of the day (47 yards). Just as Matt Bahr had done seventeen years prior to the day, Tynes connected on the game-winning field goal, clinching a fourth NFC Championship for the Giants and their first since 2000.”

Favre mistake.

2009 NFL playoffs: NFC Championship game, the cross-body throw that the Saints picked off to set up Garrett Hartley’s game-winner. Favre mistake.

So in the playoffs, that’s… 3-4, with one set of heroics outdone by the other side, and one where he put them in position to win before overtime but the kicker missed, yet the Packers won in OT on a defensive play. So somewhere around 5-4 or 4-5, depending on your metrics.

This doesn’t include playoff games where one side was leading by a wide margin, and I think Favre had more of those for him than against him, but I didn’t count. I didn’t look at the regular season because those aren’t easy to find.

In short, what have we determined? Favre is a streaky gunslinger, as you said, but it’s not “Epic Fail in all counts.” It’s close to 50/50, which was my wild guess, so that works out well in making me feel important, at least. You could argue that Favre has been worse in the playoffs lately, but I’m not sure if that’s correct without looking closer at the games. He’s made some awful decisions with the ball late, having ended all of his seasons lately with turnovers, but I don’t want to place extra blame on him instead of his teammates – same as I don’t want extra credit heaped on him instead of his teammates.

If I recall correctly, in Favre’s only season with the Jets in 2008, they still had a chance to make the playoffs heading into the last week against Miami. Favre threw two awful INTs, including a pick-six, and Miami took the division with a 24-17 win.

I think his pregame speech there was something like “Whatever happens, happens. Break on three.”

It just makes me compare late-career Favre to late-career Elway. I always hated Elway, but at the end he seemed to understand that he couldn’t force things in as much as he had during his prime. His physical skills had deteriorated just enough that he needed to be careful about when and how often he tried to make a big play with his arm.

And like Elway, Favre has a really good running back and a fine defense behind him. The difference is that Favre still wants to rely on his arm strength to make a big play. He can still make those plays, as we saw on the one touchdown last night, but he can’t rely on that as much as he did earlier in his career. Until he figures that out, my guess is that he’ll continue to have turnovers in key situations a lot more often then he or anyone else would like.

Maybe he’ll get lucky, but eventually Matt’s 50/50 is still a very high risk to take. You could live with it on a team that wasn’t that talented, but the Vikings are a legitimate Superbowl team around Favre and they don’t need him to take unnecessary risks.