The NFL 2010 thread

Sarkus · 2010-11-23T11:50:01.000Z

sluggo:

Someone might need to double check the math on this, but because the Rams already beat the Seahawks earlier in the year, I think it’ll be hard for Seattle to clinch the division early. As long as the Rams match Seattle’s record for the next five weeks, the week 17 matchup becomes a winner-takes-the-division showdown.

Just to clarify, my post wasn’t that Seattle could clinch the division in the next two weeks, it was that the division could effectively be decided. If Seattle wins its next two games (at home) they would be 7-5. If the Rams lose their next two games (on the road) they would be 4-8. With four games left in the season, it would be highly unlikely that the Rams would come back at that point to make the final game mean anything.

BaconTastesGood · 2010-11-23T12:00:40.000Z

Matt Bowyer:

The top 10 in 2005:

[ol]
[li]Alex Smith
[/li][li]Ronnie Brown
[/li][li]Braylon Edwards
[/li][li]Cedric Benson
[/li][li]Cadillac Williams
[/li][li]Adam “Pacman” Jones
[/li][li]Troy Williamson
[/li][li]Antrel Rolle
[/li][li]Carlos Rogers
[/li][li]Mike Williams (WR edition to Detroit)
[/li][/ol]
The best three picks in the draft were Demarcus Ware, 11th overall to Dallas, Aaron Rodgers, 24th to Green Bay, and Roddy White, 27th to Atlanta, and the last two didn’t hit their stride for a few season thanks to questionable quarterbacks (the ageless Favre and Vick, Horrific Passer Edition).

Man, what an awful top 10, and a fairly bad first round period.

Well, five years later sure…and I agree, it’s probably the worst 1st round of at least 25 years. But IIRC several of those players had very promising rookie years, including Cadillac, Ronnie Brown, and Carlos Rogers. Roddy White was deemed a bust until just recently. And Pacman is a good player, but with just horrifying off field issues.

Cubit · 2010-11-23T12:03:21.000Z

Even Braylon Edwards, who didn’t live up to his potential in Cleveland, is happy and playing well for the Jets as their #2 WR. If he stays with the team he could have a very good career.

Rimbo · 2010-11-23T12:07:58.000Z

Benson’s doing better since he moved to Cincy, but not #4 overall better.

triggercut · 2010-11-23T12:17:52.000Z

BaconTastesGood:

Roddy White was deemed a bust until just recently.

If “until just recently” is five seasons ago, maybe. Wanna join our Fantasy League next season? We’ll let you have Torry Holt and Ahman Green.

White had 1,200 yards receiving in 2007. In 2008 he had 1400 yards on 88 catches and went to the Pro Bowl. C’mon.

BaconTastesGood · 2010-11-23T12:25:15.000Z

triggercut:

If “until just recently” is five seasons ago, maybe. Wanna join our Fantasy League next season? We’ll let you have Torry Holt and Ahman Green.

White had 1,200 yards receiving in 2007. In 2008 he had 1400 yards on 88 catches and went to the Pro Bowl. C’mon.

I have a, uh, 3 year gap in my NFL knowledge due to work and personal issues, so my bad. But I’ll totally join so I can be like Andre from The League. And torry holt? Pfft, only if you throw in Marvin Harrison.

triggercut · 2010-11-23T12:26:40.000Z

BaconTastesGood:

I have a, uh, 3 year gap in my NFL knowledge due to work and personal issues, so my bad. But I’ll totally join so I can be like Andre from The League. And torry holt? Pfft, only if you throw in Marvin Harrison.

Just bustin’ balls Bacon. Just bustin’ balls. :)

I grabbed Rowdy Roddy in the 12th round in my league’s 2007 draft, and will have to either make him my first-round choice next year or not keep him (which is likely). But…White has caused me to win an awful lot of money during football season during the past few years, so I over-zealously champion him by reflex.

DT1 · 2010-11-23T12:28:03.000Z

BaconTastesGood:

I have a, uh, 3 year gap in my NFL knowledge due to work and personal issues, so my bad. But I’ll totally join so I can be like Andre from The League. And torry holt? Pfft, only if you throw in Marvin Harrison.

I believe Andre took the incarcerated Plaxico Burress in season 1, IIRC. Good times.

Matt_Bowyer · 2010-11-23T12:29:39.000Z

Really, the careers of Brown, Benson, and Williams should tell you never to get a running back in the top 5. It’s just too injury-prone a position and it’s too easy to plug in a late-round guy and get decent enough success. Spend those picks on offensive linemen.

Sarkus · 2010-11-23T12:48:13.000Z

I totally missed this from the other night.

Now we know how Millen decided to make all those great draft picks when he was in charge of the Lions - he just yelled and intimidated anyone who disagreed with him.

Edit: And the VY/Fisher thing apparently isn’t resolved yet.

BaconTastesGood · 2010-11-23T13:21:38.000Z

Matt Bowyer:

Really, the careers of Brown, Benson, and Williams should tell you never to get a running back in the top 5. It’s just too injury-prone a position and it’s too easy to plug in a late-round guy and get decent enough success. Spend those picks on offensive linemen.

RB is one of the last positions I’d take in the top 5, even top 10, because the expected life expectancy is too short. This is another reason you probably shouldn’t do some mega contract with one when their time is up. If you look at the backs with huge breakout seasons over the past 10-15 years, very often they only had a couple before falling off a cliff. We’ll see how CJ and AP continue over the next couple years, but I won’t be terribly surprised if one of them is a backup or a generic 1000 yard back in 2 seasons.

BaconTastesGood · 2010-11-23T13:23:46.000Z

From Sarkus link, one of the user comments:

"Vince Young injured his thumb because he sucked it so much. "

Rimbo · 2010-11-23T13:56:06.000Z

BaconTastesGood:

From Sarkus link, one of the user comments:

"Vince Young injured his thumb because he sucked it so much. "

Dude. Grow up.

Shmtur · 2010-11-23T13:59:47.000Z

Rimbo:

Dude. Grow up.

what, it’s ok to make fun of other crybaby players, but not Vince Young? why is he so special? to quote ESPN, “come on, man!”

Cubit · 2010-11-23T14:00:22.000Z

HOW DARE you poke fun at one of Rimbo’s favorite players, Bacon. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Rimbo · 2010-11-23T14:07:11.000Z

Shmtur:

what, it’s ok to make fun of other crybaby players, but not Vince Young? why is he so special? to quote ESPN, “come on, man!”

Goddamn right!

Sarkus · 2010-11-23T14:48:20.000Z

sluggo:

Someone might need to double check the math on this, but because the Rams already beat the Seahawks earlier in the year, I think it’ll be hard for Seattle to clinch the division early. As long as the Rams match Seattle’s record for the next five weeks, the week 17 matchup becomes a winner-takes-the-division showdown.

Matt Bowyer:

The top 10 in 2005:

[ol]
[li]Alex Smith
[/li][li]Ronnie Brown
[/li][li]Braylon Edwards
[/li][li]Cedric Benson
[/li][li]Cadillac Williams
[/li][li]Adam “Pacman” Jones
[/li][li]Troy Williamson
[/li][li]Antrel Rolle
[/li][li]Carlos Rogers
[/li][li]Mike Williams (WR edition to Detroit)
[/li][/ol]The best three picks in the draft were Demarcus Ware, 11th overall to Dallas, Aaron Rodgers, 24th to Green Bay, and Roddy White, 27th to Atlanta, and the last two didn’t hit their stride for a few season thanks to questionable quarterbacks (the ageless Favre and Vick, Horrific Passer Edition).

Man, what an awful top 10, and a fairly bad first round period.

In terms of this year, Williams is probably the best of that top 10 group. Took him a long time (and four teams) to get here, though.

Cubit · 2010-11-23T14:51:09.000Z

Sarkus:

In terms of this year, Williams is probably the best of that top 10 group. Took him a long time (and four teams) to get here, though.

You sure about that? Both Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson have rushed for more yards than Williams.

Sarkus · 2010-11-23T15:20:17.000Z

Cory:

You sure about that? Both Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson have rushed for more yards than Williams.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear about which Williams I was referring too. Mike Williams has 52 catches for 654 yards. Brown and C. Williams have fewer total yards, though Benson does have about 100 yards more. You can make the argument for Benson stats wise, though in terms of team impact M. Williams has mattered more to Seattle in terms of making the team half-decent this year then Benson has to the horrible Bengals.

Rimbo · 2010-11-23T15:36:20.000Z

The Bengals’ problems aren’t on offense.