Should put in Tyler Palko. Loved in him the Cardinals preseason a season back.

Good on Polian for admitting he has really whiffed on the o-line this year.

CAN HE?

I luv u Tawd Haley

I am nearly in tears laughing over here.

I know that winning and losing isn’t the only thing that makes a quarterback good. Kyle Orton went something like 10-5 his rookie year for the Bears, but he was incredibly awful. Croyle has been… decidedly below average during his time with Kansas City, though his biggest failing is health, not talent.

But Brodie’s never won a start in Kansas City. He’s a nice guy, competent quarterback, sure, but he’s never started a game and won. He’s something like 0-13 now as a starting QB. I’d rather have Tyler Thigpen (“TYLER THIGPEN EVERYBODY!” -Rich Eisen) as our backup than Croyle.

Still, Brodie’s wife sure is easy on the eyes. If he starts, can we get a lot of shots of her in the stands?

Matt Cassell is having an amazing year and it’s awesome to see him doing well. That really sucks for him and the Chiefs.

Here’s hoping he gets better and has success in the playoffs! (Unless he meets the Patriots in which case I hope he fails)

You don’t need your appendix to throw a ball! Get in there, you pussy! Besides, you’re better off just handing the ball to Jamaal Charles anyway.

Cassel has like 23 TDs and is the 5th ranked passer in the league.

And Jamaal Charles is ranked #1 in Awesome. QED.

So Mightynute is secretly T.O. now, right? Took me long enough to guess it!

Thigpen gets so much love…but I have yet to see even one interesting game out of him in the NFL. I don’t get it.

TYLER THIGPEN EVERYBODY!

Thigpen had a bunch of interesting games for Kansas City. He’s mobile and has a serviceable arm. Chan Gailey put the Pistol offense in for him during the half-season he started after Huard and Croyle got busted, and had remarkably good results. He spread the ball around, kept Kansas City in games, and had about as many successes as he did failures.

Plus he caught a BEAUTIFUL touchdown pass on a trick play. Something like forty yards downfield, full extension, laid out for it. Love that play.

Was he GOOD? Well… he built half a season of decent play with a unique NFL formation and brought a spark to Kansas City after a boring, boring, boring eight games of running Larry Johnson straight ahead and giving up. He also faded very fast. The Football Outsiders noted in their charting that Thigpen started out every game on fire, but that fire went out more in every quarter. He ended games mistake-prone and bad.

Thigpen wouldn’t be a star in the NFL; he’s not gifted enough. But he could have been a decent enough starter for a team with talent at the other positions to bail him out. KC’s QB of the future? I really don’t think so. But I don’t see a whole lot from Matt Cassel that Thigpen couldn’t have done.

And now, I will defend that statement.

Matt Cassel is having, by almost any account, an awesome year. He’s thrown for 23 TDs and only 4 INTs. He’s completing almost 61% of his passes. He’s lost one fumble. He has been on fire lately, lighting up defenses with Dwayne Bowe catching something like 13 TDs in a four-game stretch. People look at KC’s record and Cassel’s stats and go, “He’s become a top-flight quarterback.”

He really hasn’t. If you look at just his numbers, even the advanced ones, it looks like he is. According to Football Outsiders, Matt Cassel’s Value over Average, comparing his stats to an average QB today, is 31.1%, which would be fifth in the NFL, behind Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, and Ben Roethlisberger. That’s incredible.

Matt Cassel’s DVOA, Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average, is 20.9%, 12th in the league. That puts him behind those four up there plus Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Kyle Orton, Matt Schaub, Michael Vick, Tony Romo, and Vince Young.

Matt Cassel has played the most remarkable stretch of truly awful defenses this season. I can’t find the FO article now, but they specifically called out Cassel as a guy to grab in fantasy football for the middle of the season because of how bad the defenses he would be facing were.

Denver, Houston, Arizona, Seattle, Jacksonville, and Buffalo are all 24th or worse in defense by the FO stats. Oakland is better, 15th overall, but 18th against the pass. In 8 games against defenses that bad, Cassel has thrown for 19 touchdowns and 1 interception. His DVOA is 10 full points lower than his VOA, meaning that those big games have come against teams that have given up those games against everyone.

Is Matt Cassel performing better than Tyler Thigpen? Absolutely. Is he a better quarterback than Tyler Thigpen? Yes, he is, I won’t argue that. Is he SIGNIFICANTLY better than Tyler Thigpen? I doubt it. I think Thigpen could have performed this well with another two years in KC, especially when you figure he’d be throwing to the same receivers plus one much better – Tony Gonzalez said then that he would stay in Kansas City if Tyler Thigpen remained their quarterback.

Tyler Thigpen would not have been KC’s quarterback for the long haul; they would have drafted a QB at some point, either by now or in a year or two. I don’t think Cassel is worth anywhere near what Kansas City has paid for him, and I’m worried that next year against a slate of defenses not historically bad, Cassel will appear to decline dramatically, when in reality he’ll be playing at roughly the same level, just against much better defenses. Cassel had sixteen picks and fourteen fumbles last year; this year, he has four picks and two fumbles. That’s not going to happen again.

TL:DR – Tyler Thigpen is probably 75-80% of Matt Cassel, and this year that would have been good enough for him to get Kansas City into the playoffs too. We also wouldn’t be paying him $36M over 6 years.

Now, all that said, I could very easily be wrong. This success could be just what Cassel needs, and it could be the sign of him turning the corner and becoming a top-tier QB. If that happens, I will be deliriously happy and wearing my Cassel #7 jersey cheering for the juggernaut Kansas City offense in December 2014 as we push for home-field in the playoffs. I will not be sad at all!

I just think Thigpen could have done it, too. And I really, really like Tyler Thigpen.

More fun in 49er land as apparently their DB coach has left for “personal reasons.” Yeah, right.

Cassel’s got some of the stuff of a great QB but I have huge doubts whether he has the mentality to pull it off. Of course he won’t throw another 4 pick season, but he doesn’t need to. No QB does. But if he has more sub 10 pick & sub 25 sack seasons in him, then yeah, he’s more valuable than Thigpen who’s also of questionable mentality. Cassel’s actual a very good runner, perhaps even Gerrard and Rodgers good. He earned his Rushy McFubbles nickname justly, but handling the ball is a very coachable skill. The moment Cassel and his coaches stop trying to make him another Brady he might be able to find a way to be a good franchise QB. Not something I see Thigpen capable of doing.

Brady credits Charlie Weis with his development as a quarterback. Cassel has studied under Brady (one of the top NFL QBs ever), and now Weis, who taught Brady. If he has any natural ability at all he’s going to be awesome.

It’s a good time to be a KC fan, I think. Enjoy it!

EDIT: And yes I agree Cassel shouldn’t try to be Tom Brady, he should try to be Matt Cassel. That doesn’t mean his development hasn’t been helped by working with Brady. I’m sure there’s a lot of good habits he picked up working behind #12.

I’m will Wallapuctus. KC will be a powerhouse in the next 2 years. You already have a great QB, he needs some parts around him for him to move to the next level.

Yeah, I think Cassel’s numbers lie a bit too after watching him play a few times. That said, he could continue to develop into a top notch top tier QB rather a middle of the road guy with a great running game around him.

Thigpen…I get the idea now at least. I still wouldn’t play put him in if I were the coach. You want a boring guy that is going to be servicable over high potential, high risk, when you’ve got a running game like they do.

Nothin’ against Brian Hoyer, but I do miss Matt Cassel. I’m glad things are working out for him in KC.

Like what parts? Elite wide receiver? Check. Most dangerous threat of a running back in the league? Check.

Sure, but I don’t think he’s going to be great if he tries to be strictly a pocket passer. He needs to explore that inner Favre that we’ve seen in him (not the interception part.) Despite this being his sixth year, he’s one of the most inexperienced by being on the actual field standards. If you count total pass attempts in both the NFL and college Cassel only has about 80 more attempts than Thigpen, and Colt McCoy actually has about half a season’s worth more than him. Granted NFL attempts should count for a lot more than college attempts, but I’d argue that Cassel is still on the learning curve. He doesn’t have the accuracy to be Brady, but he might be a high second rate Rodgers.