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It’s a good question. I took a closer look at the AFC east drafts from 2006-2008. I counted players on a roster or IR regardless of playing time, but not players still on a practice squad. I list their draft round number and what team they’re currently on if other than their draft. There’s no regard to whether an active player on another team was traded or released.

Buffalo Bills
10 players on 2010 Bills roster
6 on other team roster

2006: 5 on a roster out of 9 picks
Donte Whitner 1
John McCargo 1
Ashton Youboty 3
Kyle Williams 5
Keith Ellison 6

2007: 6 on a roster out of 7 picks
Marshawn Lynch 1 Seahawks
Paul Posluszny 2
Trent Edwards 3 Jags
John Wendling 6 Lions
Derek Schouman 7 Rams
C.J. Ah You 7 Rams, never for Bills

2008: 5 on a roster out of 10 picks
Leodis McKelvin 1
Reggie Corner 4
Demetrius Bell 7
Steve Johnson 7
Kennard Cox 7 Seahawks, never for Bills

Miami Dolphins
8 players on 2010 Dolphins roster
11 on other team roster

2006: 4 on a roster out of 6 picks
Jason Allen 1 Texans
Derek Hagan 3 Giants
Fred Evans 7 Vikings
Devin Aromashodu 7 Bears, never for Dolphins

2007: 7 on a roster out of 10 picks
Ted Ginn Jr. 1 49ers
John Beck 2 Redskins
Samson Satele 2 Raiders
Lorenzo Booker 3 Vikings
Paul Soliai 4
Reagan Maui’a 6 Cards
Brandon Fields 7

2008: 8 on a roster out of 9 picks
Jake Long 1
Phillip Merling 2
Chad Henne 2
Kendall Langford 3
Jalen Parmele 6 Ravens
Donald Thomas 6 Lions
Lex Hilliard 6
Lionel Dotson 7

New York Jets
11 players on 2010 Jets roster
2 on other team roster

2006: 7 on a roster out of 10 picks
D’Brickashaw Ferguson 1
Nick Mangold 1
Kellen Clemens 2
Eric Smith 3
Brad Smith 4
Leon Washington 4 Seahawks
Drew Coleman 6

2007: 3 on a roster out of 4 picks
Darrelle Revis 1
David Harris 2
Chansi Stuckey 7 Browns

2008: 3 on a roster out of 6 picks
Vernon Gholston 1
Dustin Keller 1
Dwight Lowery 4

New England Patriots
5 players on 2010 Patriots roster
8 on other team roster

2006: 6 on a roster out of 10 picks
Laurence Maroney 1 Broncos
David Thomas 3 Saints
Garrett Mills 4 Eagles, never for Pats
Stephen Gostkowski 4
Ryan O’Callaghan 5 Chiefs
Jeremy Mincey 6 Jags, never for Pats

2007: 3 on a roster out of 9 picks
Brandon Meriweather 1
Mike Richardson 6 Chiefs
Corey Hilliard 5 Lions, never for Pats

2008: 4 on a roster out of 7 picks
Jerod Mayo 1
Terrence Wheatley 2 Jags
Jonathan Wilhite 4
Matt Slater 5

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I’m as ardent a Favre-hater as anyone right now. And yet I think the NFL handled this one correctly. Sterger? I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger, but she ain’t messing with no broke…hrm.

She didn’t bother to interview with the NFL until Favre’s camp said there would be no settlement, her lawyer is protesting too much about how it’s about clearing her name, (of what, I do not know) and there’s plenty of evidence that she found the whole thing amusing and was showing off said pictures. Inappropriate? Yes. Sexual harassment? Not so much.

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Well, someone was going to do it. Let’s at least get it out of the way and over with.

As for the past drafts, the Redskins still stink up the joint.

Draft picks who are Starters for the Skins and analysis:

Trent Williams - as said before - 1R - LT - 2010 - a solid starter.
Rocky McIntosh 2R - LB - 2006 - is on the way out, and about to be replaced from the bench
Laron Landry 1R - SS - 2007 - A solid player.
Carlos Rogers - 1R - CB - 2005 - spotty and possibly gone after the year.
Fred Davis - 2R - TE - 2008 - likely will be traded in the offseason
Malcolm Kelly -2R - WR - 2008 - On Injured Reserve, never started as a WR, even over Joey Galloway
Brian Orakpo - 1R - OLB/DE - 2009 - a Solid player, gets held on just about every play: http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=866
Chris Cooley - 3R TE - 2004 - a Solid player - currently being pushed a little by the young TE’s behind him.

Safety - while both Reed Doughty 6R and Kareem Moore 6R ‘start’ from time to time, neither would be a starter on another roster, so I’m not counting them as ‘starters’

So, yeah, next year expect the Skins to have drafted . . . 6 NFL level starters since 2004, and two of them are TE’s.

Now that’s draft futility (and also shows that the Skins trade away their picks)

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Lots of stats clipped.

Okay, so for the four teams you profiled, the Pats kept the fewest of their own picks. But then, I think it is fair to say that, of those 4 teams, only the Pats were actually any GOOD in 2006/7. Certainly Buffalo wasn’t, the Fins hadn’t really rebuilt then, and the Jets didn’t start to gel until the end of that period (I’m working off the top of my head here, so feel free to correct if my recollections are wrong). My point being, the Pats only NEEDED to keep the best of the best. The other teams had more gaps to fill, and so probably had to accept a lower standard of excellence.

Not saying you aren’t right, I’d just want to see the Pats compared to teams of comparable strength. Maybe Indy over that period?

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Indianapolis Colts
13 players on 2010 Colts roster
4 on other team roster

2006: 5 on a roster out of 7 picks
Joseph Addai 1
Tim Jennings 2 Bears
Michael Toudouze 5
Charlie Johnson 6
Antoine Bethea 6

2007: 6 on a roster out of 9 picks
Anthony Gonzalez 1
Tony Ugoh 2 Lions
Dante Hughes 3 Chargers
Clint Session 4
Michael Coe 5 Giants
Keyunta Dawson 7

2008: 6 on a roster out of 9 picks
Mike Pollak 2
hilip Wheeler 3
Jacob Tamme 4
Mike Hart 6
Pierre Garcon 6
Jamey Richard 7

It is difficult to infer too much from these stats as there’s a lot of complications, but I think it’s fair to say that if a team isn’t getting drafted players to stick over the years, it makes keeping a competitive team a harder task.

unless you’re the Lions and can live off of everyone else’s draft :p

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Orakpo? Held? Nonsense.

You mean to tell me that ain’t a legal move? Of course it’s legal, or else the refs would’ve called it. And look at this one…

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The call was totally bogus, some obvious home cookin’ against the hated Cowboys. That ain’t much different from this legitimate no-call from his college days:

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And here? Duane Brown’s just whispering sweet nothings into Orakpo’s ear, letting know how highly he thinks of the guy:

I mean c’mon. The offensive linemen know the rules. I refuse to believe that there’s some vast conspiracy of linemen and officials violating the rules just to protect the lives of some insipid quarterbacks.

;)

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Good point, and I completely agree. Remember on draft day 2007 NE got Moss and Welker…are they by definition draft picks? Well, they both cost draft picks and both were a steal. Draft pick wise, Moss cost a 4th, got us 50+ touchdowns and got back a 3rd for him, so he was a net profit of + 1 round and 50 TD’s. It is crap like that is why BB is the best of the best.

Hm…no wonder why the rest of the country hates Bill.

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So, looking up the remains of the Skins drafts has led me to this analysis.

First rounders - 80% of them should be starters. You get one bust in 5, but, you should also be pulling in a Pro Bowler or two with your first rounders.

Skins Grade: C they’ve got no Pro Bowlers, but they do have some starters, and no real epic busts.

2nd and 3rd rounders - 60% of these guys should be 4-5 year starters.

Skins Grade: D- They only have two starters in the last 6 years - That’s a ton of wasted picks on people who should be the heart of your young roster.

4th through 7th rounders - 10% of these guys should start, with one or two flash in the pan stars.

Skins grade: F They have no starters, no gold mined in the later rounds. Drafting a player to have him run gunner on special teams for 2-3 years and releasing him is not how you build a team.

All in all, it’s been rough for the Skins in the draft. Just draft some damn linemen for a while.

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The hard part is figuring out the minimum number that need to stick. When I last looked at draft retention a few years ago, some of the worst teams had the highest draft retention. This was in part due to being cheap (unwillingness to hit the FA market), sunk cost fallacy (spending a lot on a top pick and refusing to cut them as a result), and just having a ton of holes to fill.

Some of the worst steams also had the worst draft retention, because they couldn’t pick and/or coach players very well at all.

The best teams were right in the middle, they would often have a few late round gems, would have the luxury of taking some fliers in the middle rounds, and then could cut or trade players earlier than later if they weren’t working out. They also had really good depth and thus weren’t forced to keep around average players that would be starters for 25% of the teams out there but were sitting 3 back on the depth chart.

You clearly want to have mostly drafted players in order to keep costs down and build cohesion, but this presumes that you’re keeping players with actual talent and not just keeping players because you drafted them.

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One of the things I’ve noticed is players that might not work out here (NE) or are just marginal in the BB system shine elsewhere, and the reverse is true.
For example Dieon Branch is an awesome Patriot. He disappeared in Seattle. TE Ben Watson never lived up to his 1st round draft pick hype in NE, but had a breakout year in Cleveland.
Sometimes it goes beyond raw talent, into scheme, work ethic and even personality. That is why when I see draft day, and the Pats draft someone that on paper seems like a lesser player, I know they are picking beyond the numbers.

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Not true. Orakpo was a pro bowler last year. And remember that Sean Taylor was a 1st…and on the way to becoming a perennial probowler. And Landry lead safeties in the Pro Bowl vote, so he may make it this year.

2nd and 3rd rounders - 60% of these guys should be 4-5 year starters.

Skins Grade: D- They only have two starters in the last 6 years - That’s a ton of wasted picks on people who should be the heart of your young roster.

No, they didn’t waste a ton of picks in the 2nd and 3rd round. They actually had very few, because they were trading those picks away. McNabb and Jason Taylor involved 2nd round picks; TJ Duckett (yay) and Brandon Lloyd involved 3rd and 4th round picks. The Skins’s problem isn’t that the draft picks didn’t pan out; the Skins just don’t have ENOUGH draft picks. Since 2000, the Redskins have had less draft picks than any other team in the NFL (excepting the expansion teams).

Just looking at choices in the 1st to 4th round:

2009; no 2nd or 4th round picks. 2007, no 2nd, 3rd or 4th round picks. 2006, no 1st, 3rd, or 4th round picks. 2005, no 2nd or 3rd round picks. 2004, no 2nd or 4th round picks. 2003 (3 whole draft choices that year), no 1st or 4th round picks.

They don’t hit on the 2nd or 3rd round picks…because they just didn’t have any.

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I believe the Patriots have 2 picks in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds in the upcoming draft.

It’s safe to say the Pats will probably make a run deep in the playoffs and possibly even win the Super Bowl, after which they get to pillage the draft.

I do get why everyone else hates Bill.

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Sometimes I wonder why teams will trade with the Patriots at all. It’s like playing with someone who always wins at Settlers of Catan. Don’t trade with them unless the terms are ridiculously in your favor.

4154

Rimbo’s post about Orakpo reminds me of a naive question that I have been afraid to ask. Why make holding a penalty anyway? It seems like you could call it on almost every play, so my impression is that it’s not called consistently. Is there a greater risk of injury if you allow it? Would it make playing defense too hard? Does it disproportionally favor passing vs. running? I’m curious what the actual reason is.

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You might as well just put a wall in front of the QB at that point that the defense is not allowed to go beyond. Keep in mind, taking a defender to the ground is holding, too. It would be nearly impossible to get to the QB.

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I vehemently agree with you - we’re just grading differently. When I say Pro Bowler, I’m talking perennial Pro Bowler.

Only Sean Taylor fits that bill, IMO.

Yes and no. Yes, they traded plenty away, but the results of those trades didn’t stick.

And the draft picks they had . . .

Manuel White - 4th - FB - out of the NFL
Rocky Mcintosh LB- 2nd -
Devin Thomas WR- 2nd
Fred Davis - TE - 2nd
Malcolm Kelly WR - 2nd
Chad Rinehart - OG - 3rd
Justin Tryon - CB -4th
Jeremy Jarmon - DE -3rd (supplemental)
Perry Riley - LB - 4th

Of the 9 picks above, NONE are starters. And only Fred Davis is good enough to start.

I’m grading that pretty harshly, I admit.

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Orakpo’s suffered at least one injury because of the extreme lengths to which OL have gone to hold him – penalties that were not called for the sake of the safety of the quarterbacks. So yes, there’s a safety issue there, among other things, but the inconsistent way that it’s called does seem to penalize DL like Orakpo for being too good at their jobs.

That’s kind of the point of my post; the only reason Orakpo won’t be a Pro Bowler this year or in other years is that OLinemen are given a lot more leeway by officials to stop him. I actually agree with this, because their concerns for the health and safety of QB’s are legitimate and the right thing to do. I just don’t agree with it when they give too much leeway, when OLinemen are allowed to put HIS health in jeopardy, which is what’s happening in the posted photos. You have to let the guy hit the QB some of the time, or call holding enough.

But otherwise, having Orakpo on the field with mere mortals just isn’t fair, so OL blocking him get a pass.

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But not every team is where the Patriots are. The Raiders have really benefited from Richard Seymour for example and they traded for him by giving up a draft pick. The Raiders aren’t going to the SB anytime soon but they need more players to at least get to the playoffs.

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The Seymour trade was arguably a bad one. The Pats have never really replaced him. At the least, the Raiders certainly weren’t taken in by the Pats with that trade. Seymour is good, and there’s a fair chance whomever the Pats draft with the pick they got for Seymour won’t be as good as Seymour.

I wonder what the Pats are going to do with all those picks? Are they really going to fork over the money to sign two #1s, two #2s, etc.? Brady just got a huge contract. Logan Mankins will be an unrestricted FA after the season – do they sign him to a big contract too?

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The Pats are in a good position to trade up if they want to.

I wouldn’t call the Seymour trade bad. Obviously the Pats weren’t going to pay him a new contract so they got good value out of him in a first. No they won’t replace Seymour in one player, but being able to pay Wilfork and still draft a DL middle 1st round has value.