“Detroit Lions. Murderers. It’s Pure Michigan.”
Sarkus
3362
Sounds like we can take Garrard off the Raiders (or anyone else’s) list for this year - several outlets, including the NFL Network, say he actually needs a back surgery. Not sure why he waited until now.
On another note, what do our resident Rams fans think about the Lloyd trade? PFT speculated last week that if he ended up in St. Louis it was really going to be about trying to save to the jobs of coaches and front office people (i.e. try and avoid a really really bad final record). Yeah, they are only giving up a conditional sixth rounder for him, but it still seems like an odd move.
sluggo
3363
There’s talk that the Raiders are trying to pry Carson Palmer loose from the Bengals, which would be a fantastic get. But it doesn’t sound like Brown is going to let him go.
Sarkus
3364
We run into the Raiders lack of picks issue there again, though. I don’t think Raiders fans would favor giving up a first rounder for him. Plus, if the Bengals were willing to trade him, the receiving team would have to have the cap space to take him - and he’s owed something like $12m this year. Last I read the Raiders don’t have much cap space. Finally, that Seattle has made sure to keep their cap open to just about exactly that amount suggests they would be in the mix for Palmer as well.
Not a Rams fan, but this isn’t a trade for this year, it’s a trade for next year. Has a midseason receiver trade ever done anything? Roy Williams was awful for Dallas after that Detroit trade, Randy Moss last year we all know about…
Shadarr
3366
The only way the Lloyd trade works is if McDaniels really does know how to use him better than any other OC he’s played for, which last year suggests is possible. Otherwise, he’s just a small WR with good hands who runs bad routes, doesn’t block and has a prima dona attitude.
DT1
3367
Lloyd does know Josh McDaniels system. He won’t light the world on fire but he should be competent. Roy Williams wasn’t because he’s Roy Williams.
Sarkus
3368
Next year he’s a free agent.
Can someone give me a good reason why the Bengals won’t trade Palmer?
Sarkus
3370
“Good reason” has nothing to do with Bengals owner Mike Brown’s thinking.
The consensus seems to be that Brown will be willing to trade Palmer after this season but that he will penalize Carson for publicly demanding to be traded by refusing to do so this year. There are even reports that Carson visited Brown recently to try and convince him to relent, but in Mike Brown world Palmer has to pay.
sluggo
3371
Because they consider it a matter of principle, and don’t want to set a bad precedent that if a player has a few years on a contract they want to get out of, they can just “retire” and hold the team hostage and force them into a trade.
Scuzz
3372
If Brown ran the team like a sport where winning was important rather than as a business where making money was important he probably would trade Palmer.
I think if he ran the team as either of those things he would trade Palmer. Instead he’s running it as a vindictive child, cutting his nose off to spite his face.
Standing up for principle in this matter actually seems pretty reasonable. I mean, Cincinnati is an awful place. If you just trade anyone who requests it, anyone who’s any good will request a trade, and the team will be awful.
You need to make it clear that, no, you’re here, and if you want to play, you’re going to play here. It’s a lose-lose scenario in this case, but it prevents more cases like this from happening.
Sarkus
3375
The Rams have cut Sims-Walker now to make room for Lloyd. Good signing there, fellows. And Bradford has a high ankle sprain.
On the Harbaugh/Schwartz front, there are stories that the two had dinner together (or something) back after Harbaugh was hired and that Schwartz made a big deal about how Harbaugh would have “no chance” of success this year without an offseason. So Harbaugh may have said something about that to Schwartz when they met after the game.
Maybe you’re right, mkozlows, but in Palmer’s shoes I’d probably do what he’s doing.
He doesn’t need the money and only has a few more years of playing time. Fuck the owner if won’t trade Palmer or invest protecting him and putting a winning team on the field.
Sarkus
3377
Palmer’s only 31. That’s just 3 years older then Oklahoma States quarterback! He has more then a few years left, at least in theory.
Not to mention that a player publicly sitting out to demand a trade destroys the trade value you get in return.
The Raiders are in contention and badly need a starting QB and David Garrard is off the market.
In this case, I’m totally for standing up for principle. You play out your contract and then you ask for a trade, or you don’t sign it.
Looks like this is the deal he signed, and now wants to back out of: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2274314
Sure. I’m saying, when it comes to ultimatum-type situations, you can end up, quite sensibly, at a place like this. Carson Palmer would genuinely prefer to do nothing than to play for the Bengals; the Bengals owners would genuinely prefer to enforce contracts by having players sit idle than let them get out of it through a forced trade. And there you are.
sluggo
3380
As always, Futurama can put this in perspective for us:
Mayor Poopenmayer: Professor Wernstrom, can you save my city?
Professor Ogden Wernstrom: Of course, but it’ll cost you. First, I’ll need tenure.
Mayor Poopenmayer: Done.
Wernstrom: And a big research grant.
Mayor : You got it.
Wernstrom: Also, access to a lab, and five graduate students, at least three of them Chinese.
Mayor : All right, done. What’s your plan?
Wernstrom: What plan? I’m set for life. Au revoir, suckers!
Leela: That rat! Do something!
Mayor: I wish I could, but he’s got tenure.
That’s basically what Palmer is doing here. The Bengals paid Palmer a fortune to be their franchise QB, and now that he’s set for life, he’s bailing on them. In most cases, he’d be the villain.
The reason he’s not in this case is because the Bengals have done such an awful job running the franchise. They’ve done so little to try and build a competitive team that you can understand why Palmer would no longer want any part of it, especially if he’s getting beat up so badly that his long term health becomes an issue.
