I picked up Tebow last week to replace Tom Brady on a bye week. He had 6 points until the last 5 minutes of the game, where he actually shot up to 22 points. He had better numbers than Tom Brady has been putting up in the last several weeks.

RE: the TO discussion. TMZ says there was a call by someone from his house earlier this month to 911 that resulted in TO heading to the hospital. According to the records from the 911 call, the person calling believed that TO had possibly attempted to commit suicide. TO’s publicist denies it, of course, but this is not the first time the issue has come up. So thats another reason teams may not be willing to sign him, fear that he has other issues.

On another subject, this Kris Dielman story is pretty scary. Dielman is a Chargers offensive lineman and during last Sunday’s game he suffered a concussion but kept playing. He later reportedly suffered a seizure on the plane ride back to San Diego and will miss at least the next two games. The issue here is that the NFL, despite supposedly making a big deal about head injuries, still doesn’t have a system in place that works all that well in keeping concussed players from going back into games. Remember the Vick story from a few weeks back, where he left the game but came back in after Vince Young threw a pick? Lots of speculation that Vick suffered a head injury that day as well. As Florio notes in the above linked story, there is no independent review of players during the game, meaning it comes down to a team’s medical staff having to make a call about the condition of their own player.

I think a team’s own medical staff is fine. I presume they are doctors? If they clear a player who shouldn’t be cleared and that player suffers due to their decision, they’re screwed and the team is screwed.

I think a concern is that a team’s medical staff may make the best decision for the team, not necessarily the player. Not throwing stones here, because I don’t know what was said on the sidelines, but earlier this year Michael Vick got knocked out of a game with what sure as hell looked like a concussion (helmet to helmet hit, woozy, other concussion-like things), but he just had “dirt on his face,” and Vick himself said he had the wind knocked out of him, presumably by the dirt. Contrast that to the Cowboys, who kept concussion victim Jason Witten on the sidelines even as Witten screamed at everyone around him to let him go back in.

I apologize for saying anything even remotely positive about the Cowboys and will make fun of Emmitt Smith on the internet as my penance.

“He got debacled.”

Yes, they are doctors, but they are paid by the team - everyone honors where their paycheck comes from.

The inherent conflict a doctor faces is one of the things I think Any Given Sunday explored pretty well.

Independent testing and an independent staff is the better solution.

In other news, the ‘What if’ remaining games scenarios at playoffstatus.com are starting to be worth reviewing:

As expected with the conference losses, 8/8 isn’t going to cut it for the Skins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgeI3qHfgU&feature=related - can’t find good clips, but, you know the general idea.

My understanding is that the measure is of efficiency, not effectiveness or production, which is a subtle difference. Maybe too subtle in that it doesn’t matter!

The guess I am hazarding here is that by accounting for special teams explains why SD was so bad last season despite their first place rankings on offense and defense. Also I presume it still speaks to overall team efficiency: if your team can generate points when the offense isn’t on the field, that’s more efficient than relying solely upon the offense to score. Does that make sense? I am honestly trying to make sense of it myself.

Well I suppose you can look at it as blocked punts lead to a few things: opposing special teams scoring off the block or the opposing team getting extremely good field position. And the text doesn’t say they surrendered a lot of yards and points on defense, specifically. The implication there seems to be precisely that the surrendering was all done on special teams.

Hey nobody is more incredulous than I at how high this system rates the 2011 Niners! I am just interested in stats analysis that looks beyond simpler metrics such as most/least yards.

Wouldn’t go that far. The article states pretty clearly that the Niners win utilizing filed position, special teams, and a defense that lets offenses move down the field but clamps down in the red zone. These are all verifiable strengths the Niners possess this season.

Man I am telling you the Tebow drafting was a giant troll by Bill Belicheck to burn McDaniels for rubbing that Broncos win in his face the year before. Having Tebow do a private workout for New England? Talking him up publicly and to Josh? Please. Belicheck knew exactly what he was doing. There is no shot Belicheck would want a QB as unconventional as Tebow and he’s a Godless heathen so forget that angle! He just wanted Josh to fail like he wants all of his former assistants to fail (I think at first he was amicable with Josh when he left and then FISTPUMPS YEAH BRO 86ed all of that good will).

Clearly Belichick is the Lex Luthor of the NFL so I don’t find Bill’s interpretation much of a stretch at all.

Der Sweatshirt prints up trollface masks by the gross.

I’m not sure that points per yard IS a good measure of efficiency. Looking at Pro Football Reference, let’s see what I can dig into.

There are two things I think of when I think about “efficiency” in football. Yards per play, and points per drive.

The first is yards per play, because all things equal, gaining more yards per play than someone else makes your offense more efficient. There are things it doesn’t account for – a team that throws three incomplete passes but then completes a bomb for 40 yards is treated the same as a team that completes 4 straight passes for 10 yards, and I’ll tell you which team I’d want to be behind there, but it’s closer – you won’t have extremes like that very often.

By that metric, San Fran is 20th, in between Tennessee and Baltimore, which aren’t exactly offensive powerhouses. But neither of those teams are bad this year. Baltimore wins on defense, and Tennessee wins on I have no idea right now.

1-4 are New England, Green Bay, New Orleans, and Philadelphia. FO’s offensive stats have them ranked 1, 2, 4, and 10th (and without looking, I’d guess Philly is dragged down by their usual problem, converting short yardage situations).

I have no idea what the points per drive stats would be. I don’t know where to look, and I think that would only partially help – you’d still be rewarding an extreme, because a drive that starts at the opponent’s 40 is much different than a drive that starts at your 20, and this stat wouldn’t account for that.

Return scoring isn’t reliable. In the kick and punt return game, before Devin Hester you never had this kind of consistency. You had players who were talented and routinely gave their teams good field position but few wow plays (Brian Mitchell represent!), or you had guys get consideration for NFL MVP by week 8 and be completely invisible by week 8 of the next season (Dante Hall represent!). Devin Hester has shattered that mark for himself, but I think that rule still applies. And while there are players who bend the edges of that rule, like Deion Sanders, DeSean Jackson, and Jamaal Charles (who started out as a KR in KC), they are soon taken off of returns except for critical occasions to reduce the risk of injury. The Redskins famously used Darrell Green as a playoff returner, and when he retired he had the career mark for punt return average in very limited duty.

Defensive scoring is even worse. In 2009, the Saints had eight defensive touchdowns. The Arizona Cardinals had two. Last year (2010), the Saints had two defensive touchdowns, and the Cardinals had ten. FO did a study on this that I don’t have a link to (might have been in one of the books), and I’m sorry that I don’t because it was pretty interesting, that showed little to no pattern in year-to-year defensive scoring. Getting a pick or forcing a fumble (not recovering) is skill in 9 out of 10 cases. Returning it for a touchdown is luck, and that luck can change dramatically from year to year. The same is true for players – only two active players have shown a remarkable ability to produce defensive touchdowns over their career at a high rate – Ed Reed and DeAngelo Hall. (I believe Darren Sharper may also make this list, but he had a lot in 2009 alone, that could have been an anomaly.)

On San Diego – San Diego was AWFUL on special teams last season. Mike Scifres had four punts blocked (five by FO’s metrics) – that was half the total of the entire league last year. They gave up one punt return for a TD and three kicks for TDs. They were inconsistent on field goals and gave up terrible field position on any kind of return. They were incredibly bad.

The offense ranked 4th in FO, defense 7th, but the special teams 32nd by a mile, and that’s why they kept losing. It’s not why they lost every game, but it is why they lost to Oakland, and it contributed in huge ways to their losses.

My frustration with this article is that in trumpeting their stats, they lie. They make the game fit their stats, and not their stats fit the games. Football Outsiders has their advanced stats, and I swear by them, but you’ll easily find Aaron Schatz and the others talk about the problems in making an 11-on-11 game fit into a simple statistical model, and they’re constantly tweaking it to make it work, and when it doesn’t they’ll talk about it. That article reminded me of empty-headed analysis like “When a team runs the ball 30 times, they’re 25-1!” as if the former caused the latter. You run the ball to finish out games and keep the clock running.

But it’s one thing when the empty space between Phil Simms’s ears fires a few times and produces that. It’s another thing when a stat expert claims it.

Of course, I’m not part of the M1A1 Abrams of Truth, I’m not a Gridiron Guru, I didn’t write for Penthouse (yes, that Penthouse), and I don’t run roughshod over all the hacks, “pundits,” and opinions with reckless, unrelenting and fact-filled impunity.

So what I’m saying is I’m not a douchebag.

(This was really fun, Bill! I had a lot of fun digging into all this stuff and doing some digging. This is what football is all about - ridiculous geekery!)

As good a job as Belichick has clearly done in New England, he does make mistakes. For example, the Pats have reportedly cut Leigh Bodden today. Year two of a four year, $22m contract (looks like he made about $14m of that). Its hard not to look at that and see a miscalculation somewhere.

The Patriots secondary has been terrible for a while. Losing Asante Samuel was very bad for them – Brandon Meriweather never developed.

What my thinking is is this site is trying to conduct a metric where you see how good an entire team is as opposed to just how good its offense is. I agree that PPD is a good efficiency indicator but I wonder about YPP. Really, for the reason you mention.

Yes but again, now we are back to rating just offenses, not the team as a whole. SF and Baltimore are not the 20th and 21st best teams in the league right now. They are arguably top 5.

Hahahaha, Philly? Yikes. Also all of those teams have suspect defenses, don’t they?

The thinking is that being able to start on your 20 is a good thing and the result of a defensive or special teams play. Really we’re trying to find alternatives to saying a team doesn’t have a good offense because it only had to 20 yards to score a TD than one that had to go 40.

I don’t understand. Yes it isn’t reliable but all stats are post facto anyway. Devin Hester’s monster year was part of the Bears Superbowl run, was it not?

Yeah but the Saints won the Superbowl in 2009! Aside from that, the point isn’t to use any one stat in a vacuum, that brings us back to the original problem with stats (ie ranking an offense based solely on total yards).

Absolutely! I don’t think anyone is arguing why SD was bad.

Ha ha, no argument there. Although it goes hand in hand with, if you can run the ball in the first half, you can use play action blah blah but I still agree.

:) That was the point. I apologize for it seeming homer-y but that’s how I came across it (Shmtur linked it to me).

It’s worth noting that the author of the scoreability article has a website (Cold Hard Football Facts) where access to those stats requires a paid membership. Bit of a vested interest there. TeamRankings has complete Yards Per Point rankings.

Everyone makes mistakes. What makes Belichick a genius is that he owns his before he has to, and doesn’t compound them by trying to prove that he was right all along.

FO has that already (well, good = efficiency) – Team DVOA, which is 3 parts offense, 3 parts defense, and 1 part special teams. Their top five at this point: Green Bay, New York Jets, San Francisco, Buffalo, and New England. The Jets have a San Francisco-like split in their stats.

I was focusing on offense because the author of the article was focusing on offense but saying he wasn’t focusing on offense, which is why I got pissed off. He has a stat that’s tied to offense, but San Francisco’s offense isn’t that good, but he has a stat which incorporates a bunch of extra stuff outside of offense into it, so he claims their offense is more efficient, and therefore better, than New England’s because New England is “wasting yards,” like it’s something they could just tell Tom Brady to stop doing. Stop wasting yards, Tom! Starving children in Africa need those yards to pad their stats!

It’s a case of someone changing the facts to fit his preconceived notion, and I hate that.

Yes, the highest defense ranking is GB at 18. I don’t think it’s necessarily relevant, though – Houston ranks eighth overall (6/11), Dallas ninth (11/3), and the Giants tenth (7/10).

Last year Pittsburgh was 2nd overall (5/1) and Green Bay 3rd (7/2), so you often have them match up. Just not always. (I don’t know how common it is for the teams in the top 10 to be really good in one category and really bad in another.)

And I agree! Starting a drive at the opponent’s 20 is a fantastic thing. But it’s a lot easier to score a touchdown on a drive that starts at their 20 than it is your 20, and I felt like the article just swept that under the rug because it got in his way.

Devin Hester’s had like four monster years, that’s the thing. I brought him up as part of my next point…

…which, as it relates to the Saints, was more looking at how a team will do. I think I was arguing against a point you weren’t making, which is that those return touchdowns, defensive included, means a team is better than a team that doesn’t have those. I was arguing that it was random. So I may have been trying to slay an illusory dragon there. Sorry!

Any stat in a vacuum is bad – the best stats combine a whole lot of things and use those stats to make sense of the NFL, and not just dictate things using the stats as gospel.

Well, CHFF dude blamed it on their defense.

At first glance I agree with this, but then I don’t, and I want FO or someone to dig into it – does play action depend more on the running game or the skill of the QB? Anecdotally, Brett Favre had some awful play action form and it never seemed to fool anyone, whereas Peyton Manning’s play action form is a thing of beauty. But the Colts have often had a very efficient running game (I think). I’ll send them an email.

Pshh. The 49ers are 5-1 and they got to that record by winning games fair and square, and that’s awesome. You should be a little homer-y! You suffered through Mike Singletary and Mike Nolan, you earned it!

The outside perception of Belichick was shattered for me after watching him on A Football Life. I can’t help but think of him as a closely guarded, mastermind of a football coach…but also probably a decent guy who really cares.