4501

This is Tebow’s second year.

4502

Consider me converted.

Bad quarterbacks usually lose games. The guy is exciting to watch!

4503

I didn’t watch any of this last night. Sat down at my desk at work this morning, and I am now just dumbfounded. However, the Jets losing is always a good thing in my book, so bring on the Tebow Time!

4504

Tebow made a nice run at the end there, but why the hell did the Jets bring an all-out blitz against a quarterback who can’t throw? No way he goes 20 yards if 8 defenders aren’t rushing straight up the middle.

That was just Ryan being wanting to “win” with a sexy play call and having it blow up in his face.

4505

I can’t stop laughing this morning. First because Tebow did it again, and second because of this video. As an NFL fan for nearly 30 years I can honestly say I totally understand what this little girl is feeling and have been there many times myself, though never over the Vikings. I’d imagine if Aaron Rodgers has seen this video he’s probably laughing his ass off while at the same time feeling oddly guilty. Any Vikings that see the video have to feel absolutely terrible. ;-)

4506

That blitz was stupid, they failed to contain or even challenge the edge and you can see Cromartie at the end of the play chillin’ in the end zone not wanting any of the The Tebes as he barrelled into the end zone.

And let’s not leave out Nick Folk, who just plain sucks. Is Morton Anderson free?

Also Rex Ryan said after the loss, “our playoffs start now.” No Rex, I think they ended just now.

4507

The Jets probably do need to run the table and finish 11-5 to get in. They might sneak in at 10-6 but there are a lot of AFC teams ahead of them right now.

4508

Chargers fan know the feeling. And would be laughing if we weren’t now looking up at everyone in the division including the Donks.

4509

Don’t forget that Denver also got a 2nd round pick out of it.

However, Champ wasn’t staying in DC. The Skins made him a big money offer, but he wanted out. Rumors around the area were that he was having an affair in DC, and his wife mandated a move to another team…

4510

Has there really been much Tebow hate in this thread? I think there’s been more bemusement than anything, that this guy with a subpar arm is finding unconventional ways to win, and several people have expressed more annoyance with Tebow fans making a cult figure out of the guy than Tebow himself.

I think the stuff said about Tebow in this thread has been pretty measured compared to your run-of-the-mill internet rabble.

4511

I see maybe two posts with anything remotely approaching hate and one of those is jeffd telling everyone that likes Tebow they they are idiots (or something). This is like Damien Falgoust drunkposting every few weeks “Fuck the haterz, Dallas/New Orleans/Whatever Team the Girl I am Hitting on in the Bar Likes rules!”

4512

I don’t hate Tebow, though I can see how it might come across that way based on my posts last night. I came across too strongly, mea culpa.

Basically I’m with sluggo: two parts bemused by the cultish devotion to Tebow, one part frustrated by the level of magic thinking that his supporters use to justify their love. The guy isn’t a good quarterback, yet people seem to be willing to twist themselves into knots just to claim that he is.

Where did the cult of Tebow come from anyway? I pay almost no attention to college football, so I’m sort of clueless on that front. Is it just because he’s a young man who is very open about his religion?

4513

I think the main reason it can appear to be hate is that most NFL fans fall into one of two categories when it comes to talking about QBs:

You have the modern fan. These fans see someone like Dan Marino as the epitome of what a QB should be- great mechanics(quick release), accuracy, tds, the whole bit. While how successful these QBs are is heavily impacted by the team that surrounds them, their individual skills cannot be questioned.

The traditional fans tend to like QBs who are pocket passers. Putting aside the traditional fan’s preference for a strong running game, when passing is called for a scrambler is not preferred. Fran Tarkenton didn’t get a lot of respect back in the day, not considering what he accomplished for instance.

So where does that leave Tebow? He fits neither category. He’s not even in the Trent Dilfer category of QBs who win by ‘managing’ the game while other elements of the team win. His leadership in driving 95 yards for the win places him above that level.

I think he’s inventing a new category. Assuming he keeps having this type of success he’s going to be in MacGyver territory. A guy who takes whatever is around and makes due with it.

4514

GARGH. Yes, that sort of “fuck tradition!” analysis is what drives me mad. “Forgot about the importance of the so-called ‘forward pass’ or about esoteric namby-pamby concepts like ‘completing throws’, Tebow is a whole new paradigm in quarterbacking!”

In the MacGyver scenario, Tebow isn’t the titular improviser, he’s the chewed bubblegum and tinfoil that the coaches are trying to improvise with.

4515

If Tim Tebow didn’t have a legion of followers praising him to high heaven, I’d probably be rooting for him like I did Tyler Thigpen in Kansas City, only a bit less since he’s on the Broncos and Tyler Thigpen could throw the ball with a moderate amount of skill assuming the guy he was throwing to had Gonzalez #88 on his jersey.

I don’t like being negative. It robs football of the joy it should bring. I am also a Redskins fan, and therefore am out of hate by Week 5 because of Dan Snyder.

4516

The “cult” comes from Tebow’s unquestioned college success in a high profile program at Florida combined with his very public personal story and religious beliefs. It gives him appeal beyond the normal sports fan.

I don’t hate him, but then I’m not convinced he will be successful for very long. The one season Miami upswing a few years ago comes to mind. Once teams figure out the book on Tebow, his inability to pass effectively will make him a lot less appealing. But I do feel for the Broncos, where I’m sure Fox and Elway realize the dead-end Tebow’s success is leading them into and are powerless to stop it while the team keeps winning.

My thought last night was that if Al Davis was alive and had Tebow, he’d grin and say “Just win, baby”. He’d count his money from the fan hype at the end of the season. And then he’d trade Tebow to someone else before the bloom comes off and find a real quarterback.

4517

I think people give the coach too much credit. It’s the dumb coaches, the lesser coaches, who try to force players into roles they aren’t suited for. The smart way is to adjust their role to leverage what the player can do. So what Fox is doing should be expected as standard, not exceptional.

4518

Damnable double post!

4519

If Al Davis were still alive, Tim Tebow would sign a $120 million dollar contract in the offseason, they’d bring in Brandon Lloyd, Chad Ochocinco, and Santana Moss, and then Tebow would get benched in week 3 for Bruce Gradkowski.

4520

I stand corrected.

As for the “Tebow-hate” (which I really need to squint a lot to see in here) I don’t have a horse in that race.

We are, however, seeing something that has never been seen in the NFL before, ever. A successful offense running zone-read and option plays with a QB who, more or less, can’t throw a forward pass. That’s not hating on Tebow, that’s stating fact and doesn’t make him any less of an outstanding athlete. So what I find interesting is how this changes the game and what opposing teams will do to stop it.
The way I recall stopping the triple-option play, for instance, is that you stuff the fullback, the end always takes out the quarterback, cornerback contains outside and OLB always hits the halfback. Basically, if the defense does this, the play doesn’t get yards. The reason why we almost never see the triple-option in the NFL is because you’re giving an NFL DE a free shot on your quarterback. Not many coaches (or QB’s) like that idea. It would of course be interesting if this turns out to be an “exploit” (in the widest sense of the word) of the Protect-The-QB-rules that the NFL has enforced over the last decades. No one has seen it coming, that’s for sure.