The NFL 2011 Thread

prolix · 2012-01-10T11:38:24.000Z

Lorini:

LA has the Lakers, Dodgers, Angels, and Kings.

Omniscia:

If you’re going to count the Angels, don’t forget the Anaheim Ducks, who have also won a championship.

Poor Clippers.

Zuwadza · 2012-01-10T11:48:18.000Z

Yeah I’m mystified as to why you would want to cut Palmer. Palmer had some respectable games this season, especially given the situation he was in. They broke the bank on Palmer, might as well try to make some hay out of it. Give Soup backup money or let him walk.

Sarkus · 2012-01-10T12:38:29.000Z

As an aside, I’m listening to a bay area reporter who is pointing out all the backtracking and misleading things Jackson did during the season. Its really very strange what he did, like telling the press things that players say he didn’t tell them and all of that. It really seems like Jackson was just totally out of his element with the amount of control he had after Al’s death.

Lorini · 2012-01-10T13:51:10.000Z

Sarkus:

As an aside, I’m listening to a bay area reporter who is pointing out all the backtracking and misleading things Jackson did during the season. Its really very strange what he did, like telling the press things that players say he didn’t tell them and all of that. It really seems like Jackson was just totally out of his element with the amount of control he had after Al’s death.

Amy is not a football woman, she’s a business woman. Mark Davis is not a football guy the way Al was a football guy, so they had to rely on a rookie coach. But sure, there’s plenty of reasons to fire him. As you all know I deeply disagreed with the trade for Palmer and I also am very concerned about the penalties. Jackson said he was going to reduce them, instead the Raiders had more penalties than any other team in history. He was very arrogant in his last podium, he assumed he was going to not only be the coach but have personnel control as well.

After the losses he would claim ‘total responsibility for the loss’. Well I guess he got that.

Mark_Asher · 2012-01-10T18:13:14.000Z

Lorini:

If they do in fact cut bait with Palmer, then we’ll know that’s why Jackson got fired. What he did did not work out, and they could have not made the playoffs and still had their draft picks.

The new GM wants his own guy as the coach, and I can understand that. Jackson was acting like a GM last year and may not have been happy with the new GM coming in and taking some power away from him. If that was going to be the case, better to make a change.

Mark_Asher · 2012-01-10T18:16:30.000Z

Zuwadza:

Yeah I’m mystified as to why you would want to cut Palmer. Palmer had some respectable games this season, especially given the situation he was in. They broke the bank on Palmer, might as well try to make some hay out of it. Give Soup backup money or let him walk.

Yeah, there’s no point in cutting Palmer. He’s a good QB. I certainly don’t think Campbell is an improvement over him.

The Raiders may look to draft a QB somewhere in the later rounds and see if they can develop him.

Thongsy · 2012-01-10T21:17:13.000Z

Do the Raiders even have any draft picks this year? Palmer costed them the first round pick. Pryor cost them a third round pick. Curry costed them a sixth round pick I think. I believe they also traded the others away too but I’m not sure about that.

Zuwadza · 2012-01-10T21:18:38.000Z

More coaching news: Schottenheimer resigns from the Jets and Mike Mularkey, OC for the Falcons, is the new HC for the Jaguars.

Lloyd_Heilbrunn · 2012-01-10T21:22:39.000Z

ProFootballTalk – 11 Jan 12

Reports: Tony Sparano will get Jets coordinator job

With Brian Schottenheimer stepping down from the Jets offensive coordinator job, it just so happens another candidate is lined up to replace him. Tomorrow. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports that…

sluggo · 2012-01-10T22:36:51.000Z

I’m puzzled by the Schottenheimer resignation. The Jets went on record last week saying they no plans to fire him, that unless he got a job somewhere else, they had every intention of bringing him back. So if you’re Schottenheimer, why would you just quit without a job lined up? Maybe he’s got something he just can’t announce yet?

Meanwhile, the Jets clearly were ready for this, as – in an interesting twist – they’ve apparently already got a deal in place to bring in Tony Sparano as their new OC.

Also, completely unrelated, NFL Network is re-airing the SF/Dal “The Catch” game, and I’d totally forgotten that it was Vin Scully, of all people, doing TV play-by-play for CBS for that game.

Mark_Asher · 2012-01-10T22:45:33.000Z

Zuwadza:

More coaching news: Schottenheimer resigns from the Jets and Mike Mularkey, OC for the Falcons, is the new HC for the Jaguars.

This is the OC that was responsible for the Falcons offense that scored zero points against the Giants? Well, maybe he will be a better HC than OC.

Sarkus · 2012-01-10T22:55:12.000Z

sluggo:

I’m puzzled by the Schottenheimer resignation. The Jets went on record last week saying they no plans to fire him, that unless he got a job somewhere else, they had every intention of bringing him back. So if you’re Schottenheimer, why would you just quit without a job lined up?

From what I’ve read he was going to leave either way but the Jets were covering for him so that if he got the Jags head coaching job it would look like he was leaving because fo a promotion. Once the Jaguars announced they were going with Mularkey instead, he “resigned” so he wouldn’t be fired.

The Jets are changing other coaches as well, which is what happens when a team doesn’t meet expectations but the head coach still survives.

sluggo · 2012-01-10T23:40:58.000Z

Let me try this another way, because I think there’s a basic disconnect here.

Brian Schottenheimer had a contract with the Jets. If they relieve him of his duties, they still have to pay him what he’s owed by the contract. But if he quits, they have to pay him nothing.

So why would he voluntarily quit and let them off the hook for the money?

Sarkus · 2012-01-10T23:54:16.000Z

sluggo:

Let me try this another way, because I think there’s a basic disconnect here.

Brian Schottenheimer had a contract with the Jets. If they relieve him of his duties, they still have to pay him what he’s owed by the contract. But if he quits, they have to pay him nothing.

So why would he voluntarily quit and let them off the hook for the money?

I guess its not about the money to him. I’m just going off of what PFT says, where the writer says he’s better off resigning then being fired because he sucked at developing Sanchez or whatever. After all, if Rex fires him then he will be asked to explain why. Not that I think being fired would matter in a profession where everyone gets fired, but who knows.

Plus if his dad gets the Bucs job we can easily guess who the OC will be. This way he’s clear to take that up if it happens without having to figure out a way out of his contract with the Jets.

mdowdle · 2012-01-10T23:56:54.000Z

sluggo:

Let me try this another way, because I think there’s a basic disconnect here.

Brian Schottenheimer had a contract with the Jets. If they relieve him of his duties, they still have to pay him what he’s owed by the contract. But if he quits, they have to pay him nothing.

So why would he voluntarily quit and let them off the hook for the money?

Might be because he’s likely to have a much harder time finding another job in the NFL if he forces the Jets to fire him. And whatever severance pay scheme he has negotiated in his contract won’t compensate for being an NFL persona non grata.

Sarkus · 2012-01-11T00:05:31.000Z

Interesting Michael Silver piece on Hue Jackson’s firing over on Yahoo. It sounds like Jackson was told before the season ended that he wasn’t going to have any say in who the next GM was going to be, which makes his later public comments about that even more surprising. By going public with his views he probably sealed his fate, at least to the degree that it probably made Mark Davis more willing to let McKenzie get rid of him if that was McKenzie’s conclusion.

Even with Al gone, the soap opera that is the Raiders continues to entertain. But I suspect those days will be gone soon enough, because that isn’t the Packer way.

sluggo · 2012-01-11T00:34:47.000Z

Sarkus:

I guess its not about the money to him. I’m just going off of what PFT says, where the writer says he’s better off resigning then being fired because he sucked at developing Sanchez or whatever.

mdowdle:

Might be because he’s likely to have a much harder time finding another job in the NFL if he forces the Jets to fire him. And whatever severance pay scheme he has negotiated in his contract won’t compensate for being an NFL persona non grata.

As I said a few posts ago, the Jets had already come out publicly and said WE ARE NOT FIRING BRIAN SCHOTTENHEIMER. They said unless he got a coaching job somewhere else, they were bringing him back next year. So why are you guys talking about how the Jets would be forced to fire him?

mdowdle · 2012-01-11T03:39:06.000Z

sluggo:

As I said a few posts ago, the Jets had already come out publicly and said WE ARE NOT FIRING BRIAN SCHOTTENHEIMER. They said unless he got a coaching job somewhere else, they were bringing him back next year. So why are you guys talking about how the Jets would be forced to fire him?

Maybe they made an informal agreement with Schottenheimer along the lines suggested by Sarkus? Simply saying “we’re not going to fire him” does not at all prevent the Jets from actually firing him should they so wish, like should he renig on his part of an informal agreement. And quite honestly, it seems quite common for sports teams to fire this week people that they claimed just last week were safe. And like I said, if he did have an informal agreement along the lines suggested by Sarkus, and if he did renig, he might find it very difficult to find another job in the NFL.

Walter_Yarbrough · 2012-01-11T05:42:45.000Z

Thongsy:

Do the Raiders even have any draft picks this year? Palmer costed them the first round pick. Pryor cost them a third round pick. Curry costed them a sixth round pick I think. I believe they also traded the others away too but I’m not sure about that.

2nd round pick to the Patriots
4th round pick to the Redskins
7th round pick was for Curry.

Raiders still have their 5th and 6th rounders in 2012

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Years/2012.htm

Sarkus · 2012-01-11T11:51:07.000Z

PFT says a similar “you’ll be leaving one way or the other” dynamic may have been playing out in Atlanta with Mularkey. So they stayed quiet to see if he got the Jags job (which he did). Also, San Diego’s OC is “voluntarily” moving on.

As for Brian Schottenheimer, PFT is sticking with that story saying they have a source that told them Schottenheimer was told get another job or get out. So to be clear, the idea is that the Jets publicly endorsed Schottenheimer because they had a handshake agreement with him that he would leave for another job or resign. The reasons for that arrangement seem obvious to me given that Schottenheimer was up for the Jags job. The Jets firing him or not giving him an endorsement while he was still under consideration for that job would have been pretty damning for his chances, so the two sides agreed he would resign if he didn’t get that or some other position by set date.