It’s not what I said or what I meant. I appreciate your apology. I do think that gman fails to argue in good faith, moves goalposts, claims whatabouthillaryandobama, and other GOP ways of controlling the conversation that do not address the actual issues or arguements brought against his claims, which leads to 300 posts of people trying to argue mostly in good faith. Either way, it’s 300 posts that aren’t about the actual news or issues of NK, which I’d personally like to get back to.
I’m not trying to be a jerk, and I am sorry if that was how I came across, but it sure seemed like deliberately not reading the words I was using. Again, sorry if that wasn’t the case.
Fair enough, just seemed like a weird hill to take a stand on, coming to the defense of someone that’s playing the 'I’m so naive & innocent, I haven’t read or know a thing about all these hot topics I keep posting about so please explain everything to me" card. I see from the replies that he’s now moved on to ‘Cops are always right’ as the topic of the day to troll on. Then maybe he’ll talk about how the school shooters have a valid point when they blow their classmates away, etc.
Assuming you’re reading the forums, you’ll note that we’ve had a string of this type of troll come through here and he’s just the latest incarnation.
I guess there’s a sense in which I was defending him, although I wasn’t defending his views.
What made this sub-forum a miserable experience for me to read, and prompted me to join in, was not gman. If he’s trolling, he’s the most polite, least annoying troll this forum has ever seen. For me it was the reaction to gman which was loud, unpleasant, and included behaviour far worse than any of his. Occasionally it seemed like it amounted to bullying.
Agreed. While it is totally appropriate to call out someone if you believe they are arguing in bad faith or trolling, etc. but to then dismiss everything that person says on those grounds, regardless of what it is, prevents conversations from taking place.
People keep talking about the “alt-right playbook”. Well, here’s the other playbook in action here. Somebody says something offensive/questionable. Poster attacks that point. Person responds by asking a question. Poster attacks, claiming asking questions and trying to control the conversation is out of alt-right playbook. This now somehow invalidates anything else that person has to say, so no attention has to be paid to it and anything that questions our own assumptions can be safely disregarded.
If he’s truly NOT a troll then he’s one of the most ill-informed posters we’ve seen in a while. He’s constantly making remarks like “Oh wow, I didn’t know that.” or “Please link info on that as I haven’t heard that before”. Which is fine usually as sometimes Google can’t provide info. But when it’s used constantly and in regard to things that are inherent facts about the unpopular positions he keeps taking, then it makes you wonder why it keeps happening. If someone this passionate about so many unpopular positions hasn’t taken the time to read up much about it, why does he spend so much time talking about them?
He might be a troll. Honestly, I’ve gone back and forth on what I think. But either way, I think it’s possible to learn something in the process. For my own part, I was prompted to go look up info on the Flores settlement, which was quite enlightening, and I think I know understand what a lot of the rhetoric we are hearing actually means.
Well welcome back. I guess most of us find the notion that after all the evil done the past 18 months it was people being mildly rude to a racist troll on a message board that enraged you is just odd. But whatever, good to have you back.
I agree, welcome back to Mark. Obviously tensions on the forum are much higher than past years as many of us disagree with the current administration and its policies, to say the least. It’s become more than just political disagreement for many, myself included.
This is kinda important because if there was an actual deal in the works, and not just hot air and some unilateral concessions Trump can make as CIC (the military exercises), the Senate would have to ratify it.
Haven’t you heard? Trump says they’ve already destroyed their bomb factories, returned our soldiers’ remains, and bowed to American might. What more do we need?
Anyone who says it’s not true is a traitor. Prepare for family separation.
Are we classifying this as fake news or “special hell for Kim Jong Un”? It’s hard to decide which GOP line applies. Best wait till the Orange God tweets.
C’mon, guys; Trump looked into his eyes and saw a kindred spirit. You know, a compulsively lying megalomaniac. This is all part of the amazing deal Trump made in order to stop Kim Jong Un from reenacting Olympus Has Fallen.
