I thought Carrie Ann Moss did a good job showing that she cared for Neo. Can’t say the same for Keanu tho.
So we’re only human if we pop Ex, strip down to rags, and jump in the mosh pit with the rest of the seething unwashed? Count me on the side of the machines.
Yes, and it’s like being hit on the head with a hammer by the filmmakers. Plus, it was boring.
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That is your opinion, and you could of course be wrong. And in this case, probably are wrong. Apparently it wasn’t quite as heavy handed as you think or there wouldn’t be a whole host of people on this thread saying they don’t “Get it” or why it was in the film at all. Apparently either there are some slow people in this forum or maybe they weren’t hammering hard enough, not sure which.
Guessing that the general public doesn’t have your critical eye for filmmaking, I beleive said hammer was needed to smack said head, read this thread for indication of why.
Actually, I don’t see anyone in the thread saying they didn’t “get it” or not understand why it was in the movie. Most have been saying it was pointless or boring. :)
I think it went on much longer than it needed to. Even if it was only a few minutes, it really dragged. It’s the closest I’ve come to re-experiencing the sort of squirming-in-seat feeling I had when Scotty and Kirk are circling the Enterprise in spacedock in the first Star Trek movie. Man, that scene seemed to go on forever. Yeah, the human adventure is just beginning…and the first hour of it will be spent circling this damn ship!
Actually, McCullough didn’t get it, and in my mind, he is the only person that matters, hence my “whole host of people”. :)
And FWIW, I’m 100% in agreeance it went on WAY too long but I don’t think it was pandering whatsoever, it was just a blunt force trauma way of showing humans, which when considering the average moviegoer was probably a needed way to do things.
Dejin
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That’s too bad, because I think Kelly Preston (who plays the Mom) is very hot stuff.
Paris Hilton is in the rave scene if that helps.
Oh, I “got” the humanity thing, I just thought it was a stupid handling.
You want to know what I’m wondering about? I was at some distant relatives place for Thanksgiving, and the kids were watching Reloaded.
When the Nebbie arrives at Zion at the beginning of the movie, they show approach control as this almost surreal, high-tech place. It was all white, so you couldn’t see the walls or the floor. The controllers were almost floating in the air on these chairs, and they had these insane holographic projection screens and stuff.
And then you never saw that again.
What the hell happened to that room? Or why didn’t the rest of Zion look anything even close to that? Why do I get the feeling that, 20 years down the line, the W. Bros are going to issue a Special Edition and replace that room with the grungy Zion we all know and despise?
When you first saw that room, that was your first impression of Zion. And it was like, oh yeah, they’re really advanced. But then they land, and it’s like Mad Max Underground.
It’s like someone had a serious continuity fuck-up and decided it wasn’t worth going back to fix.
It was a simulation - a mini matrix functioning as the user interface for the defense computers.
They made that obvious by showing the controller, the female one who guides in the neb, lying in a matrix chair, with her eyes closed. Although, I’d have thought the surreal environment would have been evidence enough.
Yes, and it’s like being hit on the head with a hammer by the filmmakers. Plus, it was boring.
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That was my problem with it exactly. After about the second cut, they’d said everything they needed to on that theme (which is what they were after, I think… the whole reaffirmation of humanity). Cut, fade to black, move on.
And mind you, I liked the second movie. Far more than the first. (I thought the whole philosophy thing actually had a bit of substance. The first movie was a decent story/plot twist when I read it in a Shadowrun supplement at age 19 or so.)
Prodigy
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The Matrix aren’t exactly subtle…
Prodigy
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So we’re only human if we pop Ex, strip down to rags, and jump in the mosh pit with the rest of the seething unwashed? Count me on the side of the machines.[/quote]
Hey, don’t shoot the messenger !
Dirt
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It’s supposed to be like a dream. It is through our dreams (Morpheus) that we enter into a collective consciousness. Just as it is through Trinity that Neo becomes more than human.
Yeah, they showed that a few seconds after the scene with the white room.
I always had the feeling that when they went back to make the second 2 Matrix movies that they just played too many cards. Too many conflicting religious and philiosophical views and messages, often inserted in places that made the movie feel like it was shifting gears hard and giving you whiplash. Fast pace, no pace. High concept, low execution, etc. Both the movies are very dense with content, I jsut never felt that it gelled or played smoothly.
They also did the “Speilburg goof,” imagining a high concept then losing faith in abuility of the audience to figure out the message. The last 2 Matrix movies were like this. Minority Report shared the flaw. I felt that movie could have been a good 20 minutes shorter if they had just not over-explained what was happening so much.
Ranulf
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For me it just went on entirely waay too long. I felt like I was watching Zion Dance Party/Neo gets laid. All it needed added was Dick Clark or Don Cornelius commentary.
What are you talking about? Orlando Bloom and Johnny Depp practically screamed “GET A ROOM!”
Why does anyone still care about this? As far as I’m concerned, Neo’s story ended after the first movie. Reloaded and Revolutions never happened.
