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You forgot “3) I am evil” lol!

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You silly!

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Someone please post a clever tapestry…otherwise we’ll never hear from Dave again.

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We all have to draw our own conclusions from what we see. Personally I have seen nothing so far that has given me cause to suspect scottagibson of being an agent of evil.

Before the vote, the only suspicious thing I saw was the card distribution, which gave up a very good chance to get verified as good for the leader, especially after some really thorough coaching on what most people thought was the best move with the OC card. Apparently I was not alone in seeing that as suspicious, as 6 of us voted no to the team.

That is when I saw the second suspicious thing - the votes of the people receiving the powerful relevatory cards.

Is any of this proof? Of course not. But in the face of two occurences, which together form a reasonable narrative, I consider it prudent to at least temporary avoid the people who voted to approve that first team. We only have to pick three people, let’s pick from outside that group of yayers, I thought.

Others agreed, rowe posted a list that I thought was a good first set of people to give a chance to prove themselves on a team. None had done anything suspicious. I personally would probably have included clyve on that list as well, since I prefer to consider suspicious acts, not merely being implicated by being targetted by someone under suspicion, and I haven’t seen clyve do anything suspicious.

So now I’m asked to refuse to give scott card distribution rights because he is also on the team proposed? I understand the reasoning, and I agree, if scott is evil then it’s really bad to first give him a chance to fail the team, and then give him the cards as well.

The problem is I don’t have any more reason to trust Blips, or Dave, or rowe with the cards. And every push down the list brings it closer to the only people I do have reason to suspect.

So no, I’m going to take a chance on this one, since I have nothing to say that it’s worse than any other configuration, nor do I have any reason to think that scott will be any worse curator of the cards than anyone else. The only person I have reason to trust more is me, and I’m not going to get the card rights any time soon.

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  1. Call it coaching, whatever you want - I just compiled everyone’s opinions and thoughts (as I saw them) together with my own. And presented what I consider to be a pretty damning logic case on rob’s card play.

  2. All we have to go by are hunches based on comments and what we can deduce from the actions people took (like rob’s card play.) I don’t have any particular issue with Blips - I’m interested in what the comment Annie was put off by is though. I also don’t see anything suspicious going on with scott as he’s coming to the same conclusions that I am. If he’s Evil then he’s playing a really hardcore double agent.

Personally, I would rather have cards in scott’s hands than Blips’. Looks to me like you’re trying to do some coaching yourself to try and get them to Blips, Ser Knight! I only have you penciled in as suspicious (that’s half a red star going by the Annie system) due to the card association from rob (who I’m going to assume is Evil until proven innocent.) Blips could certainly be 100% Good but I’m feeling more trusting of scott right now.

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@rowe33

There’s a difference between coaching and making sure everyone is aware of the secondary consequence of approving this team as Team 2 instead of Team 3.

As I said, scott could send exactly the same team without the issue of him also getting the card distro. We’d be putting A LOT of power in scott’s hands with zero information from which to accord him that power.

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Here’s what I have so far:

  1. Robthomasson passes up the chance to demonstrate his loyalty by passing the Overheard Conversation card to Annie or Jostly, who could use it on him. This despite that recommendation from at least 4 knights. To me, this means, first, that Rob is evil, because there is no argument, and he made no argument in favor of distributing the card to someone else randomly.

  2. Rob could have covered if he could see that either Annie or Jostly were also evil, and given the card to them, and invited them to use it on him. He did not do that, so Annie and Jostly both look like loyal knights to Rob; so Annie and Jostly are provisionally good.

  3. Rob gave the card to Kl3mnop, which is only mildly suspicious, but Kl3mnop embarks on the Quixotic task of defending Rob’s choice. Then Kl3mnop is one of only 4 votes for Rob’s team. So Kl3mnop is most likely evil.

  4. Scott, jostly, rowe3, and Christien propose we send a team which excludes the 4 people who voted for the last team. Clyve constructs a terrible argument against this idea. Plus, Clyve’s loyalty was confirmed by Kl3mnop, who is evil (see #3). So, Clyve’s loyalty is at best questionable.

  5. Annie proposes a team of herself, scott, and rowe33. Blips announces s/he won’t vote for any team on which s/he is not a member. Kl3mnop begins lobbying to ensure the next card distribution goes to who? Blips! So, Blips is evil.

The evil team includes Rob, Kl3mnop, and Blips; and possibly Clyve.

On the good side, I think we can be pretty sure of Annie and Jostly (see 2). Rowe33 and Christien also look good. And of course I’m good.

Who knows what Dave is?

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This is of course all provisional. If more facts come out, I’ll take them into account.

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I definitely understand your concern with scott but it really just comes down to who do you trust more? Right now (and Arthur help me, my opinions in these games can do a 180 depending on quest/vote results) I trust scott more as his conclusions seem to be pretty close to mine. Blips has only contributed some vague comments so far while scott has presented good facts and/or logic. I would rather not see the cards go down to Dave (because WILD CARD) but of course I’d also be fine if they made it to me (seems unlikely since we’d have to vote down 4 teams to get there.)

So a quick list of possible card recipients:

scottagibson (good candidate from my viewpoint, I believe is voting YES on annie’s party)
Blips (unknown, hasn’t said much, is voting NO on annie’s party)
Dave Perkins (Fizban/Zifnab/Simkin?? apologies for the terrible fantasy books I read as a pre-teen!)
rowe33

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Agree on most of what jostly and scott said though I’m not sold 100% on anyone being Evil except rob right now. I’m hoping we get good cards to fill in the gaps though.

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Good luck heh. I was identified and I’m still suspect. This game, I swear.

Hey Scott, can you elaborate on why my disapproval of rowe’s group selection and separation is so suspicious? I fail to see it. I know I’m good, and Blips is on the “lets send” list… Both of those go against your list of potential spies and still my disapproval is noted as potentially sinister. I’m not even arguing that I should be put on the team! I’m just saying that the list isn’t something I trust. You seem to be going out of your way here, and for no good reason.

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I only left you off the list of people that I thought made sense because Christien made a good point about kl3m “verifying” your loyalty. Since we only need 3, I figured it was logical. Hopefully we can set up some more loyalty caravans soon and we’ll be set.

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And for that matter… how did x-tien, who was given a power directly from rob, avoid your suspicion but I get doubt for being identified as GOOD by someone who is a potential spy?

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Christien is definitely still under suspicion to me but it doesn’t mean he can’t make a valid point. Usually takes a few cards to really verify things.

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@clyve

Sure, I’ll elaborate. Any list of people which excludes known evils, and which provides enough candidates from which to pick a team, ought to be a good enough starting point. There’s some question about who the known evils are, of course, and people have different thresholds. I’d leave off Rob, Kl3m, Blips, and you for reasons already stated, but Rowe might have a more or less suspicious nature than I do. As long as his list is more restrictive than mine, I’m fine with it.

I think your issue is that you’re left off that list. I understand that, but that’s a different argument. You should be arguing that you can be trusted, not that there’s something wrong with excluding suspected people.

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I’m not arguing to get on and I’m saying rowe was wrong about Rob or Kl3m… I’m saying from my perspective the list is not safe. Bringing that up shouldn’t make me look bad, it should make you look at the list again.

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The only person I’ve seen so far accusing me of being Evil is you Scott - and for what reason? Because of something Kl3mnop said? If you are in fact a loyal servant of Arthur, you should be aware that the Evil among us may champion those loyal to cast suspicion on them.

So far my only comments so far have been about my possible choices: I’ve not spoken good or ill of anyone simply because creating chaos will only serve Mordred and his ilk - and make no mistake, casting suspicions and attempting to sway others this early is only creating a tangled web of chaos.

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I definitely agree the list isn’t safe but then again, no list is going to be safe. We haven’t even gone on a quest yet. I think it’s as safe as can make it right now. I’m going to hold off on any accusations (other than rob - sorry, rob!) until we have some more info.

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Who is the ‘he’ you refer to? I wrote: “I’d leave off Rob, Kl3m, Blips, and you for reasons already stated.”

I’m the one who stated you should be let off the team.