The Russia is getting more evil thread

[KevinC]

@scottagibson

I AM THE CHUFF

I feel like we need a Spartacus moment here.

@vinraith

At a minimum it feels like it ought to be cross-posted in the “How to Help Ukraine” thread.

No worries on that, it has been.

[Mark_Weston]

@Janster

from peacetime I bet they built a million a year for ages…

Then you post a chart describing wartime production. So, to repeat, your “bet” is just you making stuff up.

[anonymgeist]

@Mark_Weston

Then you post a chart describing wartime production. So, to repeat, your “bet” is just you making stuff up.

Disco Stu - If these trends continue...

[Grifman]

I don’t know how reliable this site is but they say the Russians will be out by the end of the year:

A farewell to arms. By year end Russia will be left almost without shells,...

According to them the Russians ran low on shells during the Chechen wars, which if true, means their massive Soviet era stocks were worthless and didn’t do them much good.

This article looks at published inventory numbers and production and also sees problems by the end of the year:

https://jamestown.org/program/ukrainian-strikes-cause-moscow-to-re-think-munitions-supply-and-logistics-part-two/

[Mark_Weston]

@abrandt

Any idea what the numbers on the eastern front in WW2 were?

German doctrine said 6-10km for a division, so that would be 3-5km for a regiment (brigade equivalent). But I don’t have a source for the actual Eastern front reality and most of my best books for WWII are now on the wrong side of the Atlantic.

[KevinC]

Europe agrees to cap the price of Russian oil at $60 a barrel | CNN Business

The European Union has reached a consensus on the price at which to cap Russian oil just days before its ban on most imports comes into force.

News of the deal, which had needed approval from holdout Poland, was confirmed on Twitter by the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, marking a key milestone in the West’s efforts to punish President Vladimir Putin without adding to stress on the global economy.

“Today, the European Union, the G7 and other global partners have agreed to introduce a global price cap on seaborne oil from Russia,” von der Leyen said, adding that it would strengthen sanctions on Russia, diminish Moscow’s revenues and stabilize energy markets by allowing EU-based operators to ship the oil to third-party countries provided it is priced below the cap.

The bloc’s 27 member states agreed Friday to set the cap at $60 a barrel, an EU official with knowledge of the situation told CNN on Friday.

[abrandt]

Good news, I’ve determined that the US has at least 50 million artillery shells to supply to Ukraine. We also have 250 thousand heavy bombers and enough Shermans to give two to each Ukrainian citizen. Russia is fucked. Also an armada of Battleships that should give them full control of the Black Sea in a matter of days.

[KevinC]

@abrandt

enough Shermans to give two to each Ukrainian citizen

We could weld them together and make a GDI Mammoth tank.

[Dave_Perkins]

@abrandt

Good news, I’ve determined that the US has at least 50 million artillery shells to supply to Ukraine. We also have 250 thousand heavy bombers and enough Shermans to give two to each Ukrainian citizen. Russia is fucked. Also an armada of Battleships that should give them full control of the Black Sea in a matter of days.

I already tried this approach but it sure didn’t work.

[Grifman]

Home for Christmas:

Visegrád 24

[Timex]

Oh, I’m sure Russia’s gonna be able to get a million soldiers to the front though.

[abrandt]

Well my Sherman tanks are going to run right over your fuzzy slippers or whatever you were providing them.

[TheWombat]

@Mark_Weston

I don’t think there’s any evidence that he’s “embraced” Russian policy. Just that he’s understandably, given how long he’s been stuck there, decided to get on with having a normal life.

Um, getting a Russian passport and taking an oath of allegiance to Russia doesn’t strike me as how you go about a “normal life.” Especially as that whole oath thing rather undercuts his entire moral platform. The stuff he exposed from NSA is small potatoes compared to the literal murder machine that is Russian security services.

[tomchick]

Suppose they gave a war and half of everyone said “fuck this!” and went home.

[sharaleo]

@Timex

Oh, I’m sure Russia’s gonna be able to get a million soldiers to the front though.

Only 999,937.

[Mark_Weston]

@TheWombat

Um, getting a Russian passport and taking an oath of allegiance to Russia doesn’t strike me as how you go about a “normal life.” Especially as that whole oath thing rather undercuts his entire moral platform. The stuff he exposed from NSA is small potatoes compared to the literal murder machine that is Russian security services.

He is effectively (though I guess not technically) a stateless person, thanks to the US government. Acquiring residency and citizenship are exactly what someone does just to have a normal life.

“That whole oath thing” is a deliberately hostile framing. He didn’t just announce one day that he loved Russia and had decided to swear allegiance. He went through the usual routine ceremony that everyone has to go through, just as every new US citizen has to swear allegiance.

[Calelari]

@Mark_Weston

thanks to the US government

The dude has at least a little agency.

[Mark_Weston]

@Calelari

The dude has at least a little agency.

He’s responsible for his actions, and the US government for theirs. He was stuck in Russia because the US cancelled his passport.

[Timex]

Is it normal for the US to just let criminals keep their passports?

[abrandt]

Not to thread cop but we have a Snowden thread. This thread is for arguing with Janster.