The Russia is getting more evil thread

ShivaX · 2022-12-12T19:01:11.989Z

Yeah, it isn’t the area effect of cluster munitions that’s the issue, it’s the afterwards effect.
Much like mines. Mines themselves aren’t the issue per se, it’s the blowing up people after the conflict that is the problem.
The US has some wacky complex system that does basically the same thing as a minefield without the actual mines laying around part iirc.

Many military things are very lethal. It’s when those persist and hit civilians that it’s an issue.

Thermobaric weapons are a lot more damaging than cluster munitions, but they’re fine as long as you aren’t targeting apartment buildings with them. cough cough

Strollen · 2022-12-12T19:02:57.569Z

That makes sense. I forgot that submunitions don’t always explode probably more of Russian than an American problem.

rho21 · 2022-12-12T19:37:58.518Z

I believe many of the submunitions were designed that way, to deny use of the targeted area to the enemy for a period of time. This was intended for use against an airfield or similar facility that is difficult to irreparably destroy but also difficult to just replace.

Grifman · 2022-12-12T21:12:32.030Z

Mobilization still going well:

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1/ Mobilised Russians are falling sick en masse with bronchitis and pneumonia at their training camp in Siberia, where they are living in tents in temperatures of -30°C (-22°F) according to their wives. They are being given no medicines and are having to buy their own. ⬇️ https://t.co/mv85Xzhytt

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anonymgeist · 2022-12-12T21:24:29.198Z

Good thing they have the easy stuff figured out.

abrandt · 2022-12-12T21:55:38.791Z

Those modern roads will kick in any day now.

Grifman · 2022-12-12T22:15:08.663Z

Plenty of ammo:

Reuters – 12 Dec 22

Burning through ammo, Russia using 40-year-old rounds, U.S. official says

Russia is turning to decades-old ammunition with high failure rates as it burns through its stockpiles to carry out its nearly 10-month-old invasion of Ukraine, a senior U.S. military official said on Monday.

anonymgeist · 2022-12-12T22:19:59.169Z

Maybe they’re just switching to FIFO inventory management?

RichVR · 2022-12-12T22:20:52.257Z

Using 40 year old rounds and 60 year old men.

anonymgeist · 2022-12-12T22:21:57.698Z

Just a bunch of hipsters, insisting on vintage equipment.

RichVR · 2022-12-12T22:27:57.871Z

I was into artillery shells before they blew up.

KevinC · 2022-12-12T22:27:58.786Z

Vinyl rounds!

KevinC · 2022-12-12T22:28:15.311Z

Nicely done, Rich.

schurem · 2022-12-12T22:34:03.270Z

So what about this rumour that the orcs lost 24 AFVs today?

MelesMeles · 2022-12-12T22:37:16.726Z

Cluster munitions being illegal makes it sound very official, but it’s a question of treaties.

According to Cluster Munition Monitor 2022, the list of 16 countries that refuse to sign the Convention and produce cluster munitions included Brazil, China, Egypt, Greece, Iran, Israel, India, North Korea, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Russia, Singapore, South Korea, the United States and Turkey.