The Russia is getting more evil thread

[Enidigm]

Oh lord “some analysts think it makes sense”. Bring on the hot pokers.

“Putin declares intent to conquer the world and kill everyone in it. Some analysts say the drawbacks of fighting may outweigh the benefits.”

I get that there’s always other opinions but this is war, not politics. Every military operation is going to have benefits and drawbacks, risk and worry and lots of second guessing.

[Grifman]

Ukrainian drone factory:

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔇𝔢𝔞𝔡 𝔇𝔦𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔦𝔠𝔱

[KevinC]

Battle rages in Ukraine town; Russian military sees shakeup

Human wave tactics in 2023? If the description is accurate at all, I cannot imagine that casualties are anywhere near 1:1.

On the battlefield, a Ukrainian officer, near Soledar, told The Associated Press the pattern is that first the Russians send one or two waves of soldiers, many from the private Russian military contractor Wagner Group, who take heavy casualties as they probe the Ukrainian defenses.

When Ukrainian troops have taken casualties and are exhausted, the Russians send a fresh wave of highly-trained soldiers, paratroopers or special forces, said the Ukrainian officer, who insisted on anonymity for security reasons.

[Mark_Weston]

The Russian navy is doing… stuff.

Sudden Surge In Russian Navy Ships And Submarines In Black Sea - Naval News

[Mark_Weston]

@KevinC

EDIT: Assuming I’m not mixing up people. I admit, Russian names often get mixed up in my head, especially when trying to recall something from almost a year ago. :)

No, you’re right, it’s the same Gerasimov.

MarkHertling

[Mark_Weston]

Just because:

Darth Putin

[Grifman]

I guess if you exclude convicts in death battalions, casualties will be pretty low.

[sillhouette]

If you exclude people he doesn’t care about, casualties are near zero.

[Mark_Weston]

Polling from Britain showing that opinion is in favour of sending tanks (and by proxy, supporting Ukraine in general). The main point of interest to me is that support is largely equal across the political spectrum. Also kind of interesting that the Liberal Democrats are now the biggest warmongers (by a small but probably statistically significant amount).

[KevinC]

@Mark_Weston

Also kind of interesting that the Liberal Democrats are now the biggest warmongers (by a small but probably statistically significant amount).

Been a similar thing here where the Democrats have typically been dovish my entire life and yet when it comes to Ukraine, the only people I really see oppose aid are on the far right end of the spectrum. I’m sure it has nothing at all to do with the whole Trump/Russia connection. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

The thought also just occurred to me that if Russians were predominantly brown, I bet the rest of the Republicans would get on board.

[Dejin]

Seems like Germany is the same way (although I’m happy to have someone with a better understanding of German politics correct me). Seems like the Green Party strongly supports Ukraine and the SDP is just getting reluctantly dragged along. Not quite sure where the other coalition partner the FDP is at. Mostly I see the Greens pushing for Ukraine to get more support and Chancellor Scholtz (SPD) trying to soft pedal things.

[Dejin]

@KevinC

Been a similar thing here where the Democrats have typically been dovish my entire life and yet when it comes to Ukraine, the only people I really see oppose aid are on the far right end of the spectrum. I’m sure it has nothing at all to do with the whole Trump/Russia connection. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

Hey don’t forget the NRA/Russia connection.

[Enidigm]

It’s the lingering background feeling of neoliberalism from the Clinton / Blair days, which can finally get out of the mire of the Middle East.

[Timex]

@KevinC

Been a similar thing here where the Democrats have typically been dovish my entire life and yet when it comes to Ukraine, the only people I really see oppose aid are on the far right end of the spectrum. I’m sure it has nothing at all to do with the whole Trump/Russia connection. Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

I think it’s actually related to directly, but also indirectly.

I think it’s that Russia has managed to infiltrate the information ecosystem of the far right, on a global scale, and they have used this to influence the thinking of the folks in those groups. A lot of those folks got sucked into the Trump cult, via misinformation channels created and sustained by the Russians. Those same information channels are telling them that Ukraine is actually the bad guy.

Those people are being spoon fed Russian propaganda, without realizing it.

[Houngan]

@Timex

I think it’s that Russia has managed to infiltrate the information ecosystem of the far right, on a global scale,

Or of the globe, on a far right scale. I don’t necessarily think all the right wing crap in Europe is directly attributable to flow from the US.

[Enidigm]

Most of the right wing ecosystem is grift anyway, and Russia shows up with large bags of grift, so the right wing takes it. Not that there isn’t grift on the left, but it’s almost all grift at this point on the right.

[KevinC]

@Enidigm

Not that there isn’t grift on the left

Yeah, that major difference I see is that what grift exists on the Left isn’t funded by a hostile foreign nation seeking to subvert the US government.

[Timex]

@Houngan

Or of the globe, on a far right scale. I don’t necessarily think all the right wing crap in Europe is directly attributable to flow from the US.

That’s my point… I think a lot of it is just coming out of Russia.

[KevinC]

@Mark_Weston

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Found a somewhat similar CBS poll in the US that shows where US support (or lack thereof) lies. I won’t spoil who is more opposed to Ukraine!

[Calelari]

Russian encirclement of Ukraine positions is the Year of Linux on the Desktop of modern warfare.