I filled the Fulda Gap with my DICK

A return of national pride, proof that Russia is still a great nation, the sense of empire restored. Hey, if you’re Vladimir Putin you have hundreds of billions stashed away (though it’s a bit of a bummer about your Swiss bank accounts - who saw that coming?). You have ministers to handle - and scapegoat - for any economic costs, but those costs are not going to affect you.

It was explained to me once that during the long winters there wasn’t much to do other than make up weird language rules to confuse the germans.

“Hey Ivan, how about we add a third gender to our language?”

“Brilliant”

German has three genders

That’s a mean way to stomp all over a pretty funny joke!

Putin is truly doing something the old USSR never could!

Oh well, there goes that joke. Though while the teacher for the one Russian language course I took long ago did use the line about nothing to do in winter but to sit on the stove burning sticks and thinking up ideas to make the language difficult, the example of the neutral gender was my own addition since that’s one thing I found odd after only learning some Spanish prior.

To add one other bit I found entertaining, the Russian word for the Germans basically means “the mutes” as in the people who can’t talk.

I think that you yourself might have presented this as a naive view, but I’m convinced that’s the most important part.

You all probably live in countries where legitimacy comes from traditions, beuaracracy, rituals like elections. Russia has that too (even rigged elections are very important as they show the unity of the system the way successful heist in a movie shows how cool the characters are) but it has this ancient, heroic source of legitimacy in Putin. Proving that he’s the Man. Every conflict Putin has started was a one-sided obliteration. This was meant to be it too. Of course there’s a lot to plunder for Putin and his oligarchs on the new land, the land path to Crimea is nice. But convincing Russians that Putin way is the only way was the most important part.

This is why all of this is such a disaster for Russia. If Ukraine surrenders today it was still a disgrace for the army and for the glorious leader, even before we talk about sanctions.

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Let’s also not forget the RAF pulled out pretty much every single logistical card in their hand to send one Avro Vulcan all the way to the Falklands only to miss the runway at Port Stanley

This guy has a pretty solid take on what’s going on it seems to me. Ex US infantry

Not sure how I got this on the wrong thread lol.

Good explanation on the severity of the central bank sanctions from former state department official.

Edit: elsewhere I read that the chief goal is to prevent the central bank and sovereign fund from using foreign assets to prop up the rouble exchange rate. Which makes sense.

I love “Task and Purpose”.

Economic warfare!

I do wonder how much of this is driven by ego. Putin is apparently a great student of history. He’s a man nearing the end of his political life, who is (by some accounts) the wealthiest individual on the planet, who’s achieved a Czar level of control over his country. I can easily imagine where one’s ambition begins to fly higher, to do something that would rival Peter the Great, to ensure with the time remaining that you truly cement your place in Russian history.

Thus the effort to seize Ukraine and fold it into Greater Russia as one of the the final acts of one’s political career. Easy to see how hubris and an information bubble can lead to grandiose visions without a rational appreciation of the risks.

I’ve read commentary which suggests they may be able to use their gold reserves to buy roubles via “Eastern” banks and maybe even the BIS, but I don’t know realistic that is.The BIS put out a statement that it wouldn’t be an avenue for sanctions to be circumvented, but then you have to look at exactly what sanctions would apply to them.

At this point, Russia’s invasion has been a huge failure on any measurable scale.

What Putin needed to have happen, was for him to swoop in and take the country like the US did in Iraq, with just a complete shock and awe campaign. This would have allowed him to just get in there replace the leadership fast, and establish that as the new status quo.

This would have staved off a lot of international sanctions, as the global community would likely have just said, “well fuck it, it’s already done. No point in making things worse,” which was basically how the world responded to Crimea. There would have been some sanctions, but they would have bene superficial, and nothing like what it appears Russia’s going to get hit with.

Instead, even by simply holding Russia off for a few days, Ukraine has established a very concrete narrative of Russia as invaders, both amongst its own people and with the international community at large. Russia’s not only set itself up as the bad guys, but they’ve also created a narrative of themselves as kind of incompetent losers. Not necessarily the Russian soldiers themselves, but certainly their leadership.

Now, Russia may eventually take Ukraine… I feel like they’re almost certainly going to, just based on the sheer size of their military power. But that being said, I don’t see any way for Russia to win this conflict now.

Russia will never establish a friendly government in Ukraine. The entire civilian population HATES them now. They will never stop fighting. Once you’ve got the civilians manually making weapons to use against you, you are not going to win them over. The insurgency that they will deal with is going to absolutely dwarf anything that the US went up against in places like Iraq or Afghanistan, because it’s not going to be an isolated faction fighting against Russia. It’s going to be essentially the entire population of Ukraine. They can’t win that.

And since the invasion’s dragged on, and established Russia as invaders (as opposed to simply the guys who now occupy Ukraine), no one else in the world wants to be associated with that, so you’re seeing essentially everyone else in the world turning on them. Now, in a better world this would have happened immediately, as Russia’s intentions here haven’t changed, but still it’s passed a tipping point now that Russia’s going to suffer major economic problems now.

The flip side of all this, is that I don’t really see how Russia extricates themselves from this.

The best option would probably just be to “negotiate” with Ukraine and withdraw, because as I said, I don’t see how Russia can win. I think their best option is to just say, “Ok, sorry dudes. Our bad.” and start working on getting the sanctions lifted. But I don’t see Putin being able to do that, because it’s going to make him look dumb and weak, and the only reason Putin’s holding power is because he’s created a fiction that he’s smart and strong. I do not think Putin, as a leader, can survive having Russia lose this conflict.

But, like I said, I don’t think there’s any way he can win. I think he fucked up.

What I’m worried about, is that he’s going to be like a wounded animal now. He may do some very bad things before he goes down, and those very bad things may end up causing some global catastrophes. If he really does start using things like air-fuel bombs on civilian populations, I do not know how the international community will be able to not respond militarily. Dropping an air fuel bomb on a city is essentially no different than dropping a nuclear weapon on it. At some point, the argument of, “If we attack Putin, he’ll shoot huge bombs everywhere” doesn’t hold up, after he’s dropping huge bombs on cities.

Now, in that worst case scenario, I think that our actual last line of defense is going to be the Russian military itself. Our hopes would be pinned on the fact that normal Russian soldiers don’t want to murder civilians or destroy the world. It’d be similar to when Russia ordered their tanks into Moscow in 1991, and the tank drivers got out and said, “Nah, we’re with the protesters.”

The 2003 invasion took a month to take Baghdad, and there was a lot of hand-wringing a lot of the way by observers that the Army wasn’t moving fast enough. You know, like massive sandstorms or guerilla attacks on a long logistical chain shouldn’t be an issue.

Even “shock and awe” was seen as a failure. It was supposed to cow the Iraqis into surrendering early. Nope. we still needed to take Baghdad.

News of Russian internal propaganda.

Today the narrative is that actually everything is going great in Ukraine. Americans lie Russians planned for it to end in a couple of days, and by the way Iraq operation took a lot more time. Also Russians are very humane and this is why it’s all slow.

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