I’m winding up the process of buying a house.

I’m 36.

Active reservist, pretty fit, pretty clued up on fighting in built up areas (the kind likely to be done in Ukraine now) and I am very very tempted.

I have no kids but I do have a partner.

If I were to go I think it would bankrupt me :(

If they’re anything like out airborne troops, their emphasis is on brutal, non stop fighting.

Given how the other Russian troops are apparently surrendering etc, they might be thinking a few hundred hardened, cohesive (and paratroopers tend to be very cohesive and unit proud in my experience) soldiers might do the trick.

50, wife and 2 kids plus spent the past 20 years in front of a computer. So as Danny Glover would say “I’m too old for this shit”. I could do some amateur SIGINT that people are trying to do listening to HF on the internet, but it is approaching 30 years since I did that and probably 20 since I’ve seriously used Russian. Besides that shit is getting piped to field stations all over and partners and tons of professionals already working it. It was entertaining listening to some of them doing comms checks last night though, and some poor guy being unable to make contact and finally counting to 10 and asking if anyone can hear him.

Russian madman, go fuck yourself!?

Actually, most game theory research was performed by DARPA and RAND precisely to be able to figure out what to do in this game of nuclear brinksmanship. Most analysts considered that poker was the game of choice for modeling because it depends on imperfect information. The difference between poker and nuclear brinkmanship is if both players put all their chips in the middle, everyone loses.
Putin, is cold warrior and he surely understand how the game is played. Sadly probably better than any western leader.

The analysis that No Fly Zone → NATO and Russian planes start firing at each other → Nukes start flying is much too simplistic.
The game actually starts, with declaring a No Fly Zone a possible option, but let’s skip that and start with
Blue Team Turn 1: NATO declares a No Fly Zone over Ukraine.
Red team Turn 1: Greatly simplified each team, can fold, call, raise, or negotiate.
Putin folds and stops flying fixed and rotary aircraft, except where there is a massive SAM sites. (so basically, 100-200KM from the border.
He calls and challenges the NFZ, with fighter sweeps, and escorting bombing runs.
Putin raises and launches cruise missiile strikes at NATO airbase in Poland, Romania.
He negotiates
Blue Turn 2: Putins call,
NATO can fold, and fail to intercept or attack Russian airplanes, with lots of finger pointing about malfunctioning weapon systems
NATO can call and engage Russian airplane and very likely prevailing in air war over friendly Ukranian
soil
If the airwar goes badly, NATO can also raise and use cruise missile, and stealth prlane to attack Russian airfields comand&control
NATO can negotiate.
Blue Team Turn 2: Putin Raises
Nato can fold, at the cost of much prestige, and NATO crisis
NATO can call, if the cruise missile don’t cause a big loss, simply continue the air war and likely prevail in establishing air superiority in Ukraine
NATO can raise, launch our own cruise missiles and airbase strikes, or it can invoke article 5 and declare war on Russia
NATO can negotiate.

There way too many possibility to go through all of them.
Putin folds are big wins, it is unlikely that Russia can conquer Ukraine, without air superiority and Ukraine can be supplied by the west.
An air war over Ukraine, is very likely to result in NATO victory, and lot of shot down Russian planes, it will be awful for morale, and humiliating for Putin. I think Putin knows that and it very unlikely will start an air war.
Putin raise and NATO folds, weapons shipment stops, and Ukraine fails quickly. While this is very bad for Ukraine, I’d argue it better than the likely status quo, where Russia pounds the shit out Ukraine with planes and artillery and kills them slowly. Putin is good player and I wouldn’t be shocked if he did this,

A full-scale conventional war erupts, this is bad, like Beau I think it is unlikely to end up, in nuclear war, unless NATO invades Russia proper.

Finally, let’s talk about the most likely option, the parties negotiate. Putin has no reason to negotiate with Zelensky, he doesn’t pose an existential threat, NATO does.

President Zelensky has called for a No Fly Zone, in his latest interview CNN. He is smart to ask but honestly, he doesn’t need them YET. Right now Russian aircraft aren’t a significant factor in the fight, there have been plenty of helicopters shot down, and few fixed wing. Miraculously the Ukranian airforce is still in existence. Most importantly Kyiv is still receiving military aid.

But what happens in a few weeks, when the major cities are surrounded? How do the cities get supplies? There aren’t enough stingers to give every truck or van a stinger crew, if you get strafed by surprise attack it wouldn’t even matter.

That’s where negotiations come in. A reasonable compromise would be a series of humanitarian No Fly Zones, that allow refugees to leave, and supplies to flow into the cities. Perhaps patroled by NATO fighters .

My question for all of you oppose even the discussion of No Fly Zone, is after Russian troops surround Kyiv and other cities. How do you keep those cities from turning into a Grozny, Aleppo, Leningrad?

If someone has a better suggestion than no-fly zones, I’d love to hear it

The is the wrong metric. What is importantly is the stability of the leadership. Putin is the longest lasting leader since Stalin. He has by all accounts no serious rivals. Here is thought experiment, without googling, name six soviet General Secretaries? Tough huh?, that’s because some last 151 days before jailed or shot. No Soviet era General Secretary, other than Stalin, or Lenin would have survived this debacle. Putin is very likely to.

Which was my first choice for learning Russian :S.

Beach looks nice.

I have been reading a bit about the structures of power in Russia and it looks to me nothing like the old soviet regime. After Stalin, even if it was a dictatorship, there must have been at least some internal politics, checks and balances inside the Politburó, and crazy adventures like these might have been discouraged upfront or punished afterwards.
Putin seems to stand alone and aloof from the army and oligarchs and government, only in contact with ideologues and his personal internal army, the FSO, directed by his personal old KGB buddies. So, sadly, he looks pretty unassailable at the moment.

With the possible exception of Iran*, where the EU was openly and actively working to get around the recent sanctions, I don’t think any of those were close to as severe on a global scale as the sanctions currently being imposed on Russia. The central bank reserves freeze is, as far as I’m aware, unprecedented, and has a huge impact on the country’s ability to stabilise its currency (not to mention maintain the liquidity of the banking system). I’m generally pretty cynical about the effectiveness of “standard” sanctions, especially those against individuals, except as a diplomatic signal, but I do think these are qualitatively different and are going to crush Russia’s economy in the near to medium term. If China is willing to bail Russia out, then maybe in the medium term to long term they’ll be able to live with them, but they’ll have to get that far first without the entire economy grinding to a halt.

  • Edit: And, I suppose, the DPRK, but that country has basically been shut off from the global economy from the outset, so it’s a very different kettle of fish.

There is a very fun board game, that while probably not realistic is a blast.

That was a good game. I never had the insert from the General that added historical leader cards. There was a reprint in the 2000s. I liked the original cover art:

There were probably 40 countries from C to N that had been sanctioned. Why are the sanctions, less severe than North Korea, how about Iraq from 1992-2003?

This is currently a straw Russian propaganda hangs on. We won’t have planes and electronics but China will give us theirs, and they will buy our oil and gas. But China doesn’t need oil and gas and if it wasn’t too costly to use Chinese equipment Russians would already do it. And now where do you get the money?

And planes are very important for Russia which you might understand from looking at the map. It’s either 10 days on a train or few hours on a plane if you want to get from Moscow to Vladivostok. They can nationalize leased Boings they have now (and they will cause they have no way to return those as the airspace is closed off). But then they’ll need to get spare parts and repair expertise, you can imagine it’s not a long-term plan.

Along with China there’s talk “sanctions will force our economy to become stronger, self-sustainable”, which is my favorite part of self-delusion. Thank the West for saving Russia from the resource curse.

Khersun falls to the Russians and things sound grim indeed for the poor people still there…

Another Kherson resident tells Today he has opened a volunteer centre to help people with food, water and medicine as the city falls under Russian control.
Speaking on the BBC Today programme, he says food supplies are insufficient and there are many wounded civilians who need to be taken out of the city for treatment.
He says the Russians are “not allowing the Red Cross to bring medicine and ambulances to help people”.
“I have already had this experience in Donetsk in 2014 and I came here to Kherson,” he adds.
“I think in a couple of years we will have a completely different Ukraine and it will be a completely free Ukraine, not under Russia.”

This is an interesting article:
War brought Vladimir Putin to power in 1999. Now, it must bring him down | Jonathan Littell | The Guardian

I thought that was a good read! I’d definitely take a look at that game…

Back to one of the matters at hand…(things marked with an asterisk* are things that I think Putin might believe, or be lead to believe, but are not necessarily reality)

I don’t think Putin is crazy. I think that article that Beau found was very telling. This is about legacy in some ways, but it’s about Putin thinking that this is an opportunity(perhaps the last) to do this. Ukraine is becoming westernized and if he doesn’t act soon it will find itself in the EU or NATO or else become otherwise unassailable. Russia is strong now, with a seasoned and ready military*. The next leader after Putin wont be as feared*, wont have as much control*. The west is fractured*, Germany is weak*, Britain is weak*, and the US is busy consuming itself*. Yes, there will be backlash, but it can be absorbed because the end is all that matters, and at the end of this, Belarus and Ukraine will be back in the Russian fold.

I think that’s why the air force didn’t play a bit role in the beginning, nor the artillery. He didn’t/doesn’t want to destroy Ukraine, he wants to embrace it and make it return to the fold. He might have even wanted to slow roll in there…we’ll just calmly, inexorably, continue moving forward. Now, unfortunately, some reality is seeping in; Ukraine already doesn’t want to return; His generals/officers have lied about their readiness(or are otherwise unaware) - corruption has sapped many units of their strength. Maintenance was not done accordingly (and likely ‘misplaced’), and units are failing despite his generals assurances. Then again, they likely weren’t aware of it either. Some elite units perform well, but corruption has rotted a significant portion of the army and many aren’t even able to march down roads. He’s exposed, and he can’t lose this opportunity, so he’s going to go to the air force and artillery after all.

The thing I’ve puzzled over though is why now and why not 3 years ago? With trump in power, US response would assuredly be even less, and NATO response would likely be as fractured. Maybe trump worried him - not because of his capability, but because his response would be random? Or maybe he feared a lack of US response would galvanize the EU and NATO to do things they otherwise wouldn’t? Or maybe he was sure that with trump in power, Ukraine would never get into NATO, and so he had time to try to bring them back through subversion(planted terrorists, undermining government).

I dunno, just thinking out loud…

Maybe the country wasn’t yet in a position to weather possible sanctions. I read somewhere that the economic policy to fortify against sanctions began in earnest around 2014.

BTW, it’s not the Ukraine, it’s just Ukraine. The Ukraine was from back when it was a Soviet Republic.
At least that’s what some native English speakers tell me…

good point, thanks, fixed!

Poroshenko was unpopular. Putin doubtless thought he could get Ukraine to elect a more Russia friendly leader, and then make sure it never got to choose an alternative. Zelenskyy surprised everyone, but was seen as a “Russian-speaker” and had talked about ending the war in the east - and by the time Putin realized Zelenskyy was if anything even more pro-Europe than Poroshenko everyone was dealing with COVID.