5808

Yes, I imagine so in most circumstances. I don’t know if you could find a jury that would convict if it worked.

5809

Of course you would convict. Otherwise, can anybody set a price on someone’s head if they judge them bad? This is the kind of door you don’t really open… to private citizens.

5810

Perhaps Putin doesn’t want truly skilled pilots to be shot down. So he gives jets of questionable reliability to half trained pilots?

5811

Apparently they are attacking the largest nuclear plant in Europe at the moment, complete with a livestream from the plant on youtube.

5812

See WW1 and WW2 as the counterexample… Economic integration doesn’t stand a chance against nationalism.

5813

I’m sure nothing bad will come from this…

5814

I saw that too. I don’t know the architecture of nuclear plants at all, but people are reporting that fire as ‘the nuclear plant is on fire!’, and it does not look like that to me.

5815

Is the fire the bright light on the right? can’t even tell what is burning…

5816

I’ve seen smoke from a couple explosions, but I can’t tell if the other stuff I’ve seen is plant steam or fire.

5817

Stupid AP is burying the lede.

ENERHODAR, Ukraine — Russian troops are shelling Europe’s largest nuclear power station in Ukraine.

“We demand that they stop the heavy weapons fire,” Andriy Tuz, spokesperson for the plant in Enerhodar, said in a video posted on Telegram. “There is a real threat of nuclear danger in the biggest atomic energy station in Europe.”

5818

I was just talking to others about how prescient Yes, Minister was.

5819

Fist bump. GPS is amazing, but not quite as amazing as looking at a map and understanding where you are and what the city looks like around you. Dead reckoning serves me pretty well, and I often find routes that are more human-understandable that are quicker.

5820

The nuclear part of a nuclear plant should be pretty fire-resistant outside of the built-in safety controls, the reaction takes place in a pool of water because they are, at the end of the day, still a steam power plant. The big structures are just silos to vent the steam and heat that is discarded. My knowledge ends there, but I would think that you can generally set a modern nuke plant on fire and the worst thing that happens is the reaction mass gets dumped into the control mass, and you have to dig it out. Massive explosions that can breach all that and spread things around, that’s a different story.

5821

Well, the concern is that the fire is a byproduct of the heavy weapons hitting the facility!

5822

My understanding is that recent nuke plants in the US are proof against several planes crashing into them. OTOH I don’t have any idea what other countries have.

5823

Sure, they’re hardened, but do ya’ll still really want to roll the dice with another Chernobyl or Fukishima?

5824

No, I do not mean to say that this is fine.

5825

Chernobyl was a fuck up in a very bad version of the football field carbon reactor. Fukushima was a horrible fucking wave of water. What the hell are you talking about?

5826

It is a late Soviet-era plant. Most of it came online between 85-89.

5827

Amen, brother. Maybe we should retitle the other thread “No Fly Zones in Eastern Europe: Good or Bad Idea?”