The Russia is getting more evil thread

[Mark_Weston]

At least British fishermen are safe this time!

[Mark_Weston]

@Janster

Most attacks we see now, are probing attacks, but there are already so many men on the front, even smaller attacks will cause tons of casualties, so I’m curious to see if they can keep taking 1000 men lost a day.

That’s not what the people on the ground report. And the Guards 155th Naval Infantry don’t suffer 30%+ casualties in a “probing attack”.

@Janster

The other side of that coin is, that Ukraine is probably suffering a lot too, how much, no clue, can’t find out anywhere.

I bet the Tsar’s officers kept saying the same thing in 1917. Probably using a similar quality of logic: You admit to having literally zero evidence, and then arrive at a definite conclusion.

[Mark_Weston]

Russian state TV; “we’re advancing centimetres per day.”

Francis Scarr

[TheWombat]

Well, it depends on the scale of the map, doesn’t it? Three centimeters could be miles, I tell you, miles!

[meeper]

Wait: The was a screencap from Russia-1, which is state-owned. Then they went and called that guy a ‘War Correspondent’. But I thought this wasn’t a war. Does that mean the state has to arrest itself?

[ooomalley]

‘We were completely exposed’: Russian conscripts say hundreds killed in attack

Apparently they don’t have enough shovels:

Hours after Aleksei Agafonov arrived in the Luhansk region on 1 November as part of a battalion of new conscripts, his unit were handed shovels and ordered to dig trenches throughout the night.

Their digging, which they took turns to do because of the lack of available shovels, was abruptly interrupted in the early hours of the next day as Ukrainian artillery lit up the sky and shells started raining down on Agafonov and his unit.

“A Ukrainian drone first flew over us, and after that their artillery started to pound us for hours and hours, nonstop,” Agafonov, who survived the shelling, told the Guardian in a phone interview on Monday.

And the pro-Russian commentators aren’t keen on the supply situation, either:

In a scathing statement on Telegram, Anastasia Kashevarova, a well-connected pro-war journalist, condemned Russian commanders on the ground who she said were mobilising untrained men.

“Groups of [mobilised men] are abandoned without communication, without the necessary weapons, without medicines, without the support of artillery,” she said. “Zinc coffins are already coming. You told us that there would be training, that they would not be sent to the frontline in a week. Did you lie again?”

(… but why zinc?)

[Strollen]

@ooomalley

Because this is qt3, I’m going to nitpick the WWI history (assuming you meant 1916 here): the “almost” in that sentence is doing a lot of lifting given that the Brusilov Offensive (Russia’s most successful bit of the whole war) was in 1916.

Nitpick away, my faulty memory, thought that was earlier in the war. You’ll agree by 1917 they were pretty much only good for holding a quiet section of the line.

[KevinC]

@ooomalley

(… but why zinc?)

I think coffins are lined with zinc for preservation purposes.

EDIT: Meant to reply to ooomalley, Strollen.

[Strollen]

Zinc got me curious also.
From Quora (not always the most reliable source)

What is the purpose of a zinc lined coffin?

[Zylon]

@Janster

There is always two sides to any story, to ignore the other is to have only half the picture of whats going on.

“Look, I’m just saying, maybe all those Jews had it coming!”

[KevinC]

Well, maybe half of them, anyway.

[ooomalley]

@Strollen

Nitpick away, my faulty memory, thought that was earlier in the war. You’ll agree by 1917 they were pretty much only good for holding a quiet section of the line.

Well, as long as we’re nitpicking: let’s also remember that in mid-1917 the French army was also only capable of defense. WWI was a shitshow all around.

[Soapyfrog]

@Janster

Most attacks we see now, are probing attacks, but there are already so many men on the front, even smaller attacks will cause tons of casualties, so I’m curious to see if they can keep taking 1000 men lost a day.

Russia has not yet begun to fight! When they get serious they’ll be losing 10,000 a day!

[RichVR]

And they’ll do it naked. NAKED I SAY!

[abrandt]

Makes it much easier for those probing attacks to become penetrating attacks.

[Destarius]

@RichVR

And they’ll do it naked. NAKED I SAY!

At least that will solve some of their logistics problems!

[abrandt]

An Iranian Ballistic Missile Storm Is On Ukraine’s Horizon

This is a pretty grim picture of what’s to come for civilian life in Ukraine this winter. Interestingly, I reached the same idea that Tyler ends up bringing up at the end. I think Biden should publicly put supplying ATACMS on the table and say it’ll happen if Russia follows through with raining ballistic missiles on Ukrainian cities.

On the other hand, I haven’t really considered if these Russian attacks on civilian infrastructure might actually be justified on account of the way Ukraine is dressed…

[KevinC]

It does take two to tango. If Ukraine hadn’t built those cities and power plants, Russia wouldn’t be lobbing missiles at them.

[Grifman]

I’m just read this. I agree that Biden should say that if attacks on civilian infrastructure continue, ATACMS will be sent to Ukraine.

[Strollen]

@ooomalley

Well, as long as we’re nitpicking: let’s also remember that in mid-1917 the French army was also only capable of defense. WWI was a shitshow all around.

True. American troops weren’t effective because their skill, equipment, or training were really out of the ordinary. Rather they were the only troops naive enough in 1917 to think that jumping out of a trench and running across no man’s land while being shot at by machine guns and artillery wasn’t suicidal.

My grandfather was an artilleryman in WWI he was so impressed by his regimental commander that he named my dad after him. Thanks to social media, no Russian soldier will be as naive about the state of the war as our doughboys. It is also difficult to imagine many Russian conscripts being so impressed with their leadership as my grandfather.