Honestly, we SHOULD have increased interest rates back in 2019 before the pandemic. There was no reason to have 0% interest rates when the economy was doing that well. But Trump didn’t want to, because he didn’t want to slow down the economy… but that’s exactly what you’re supposed to do in that situation to create sustainable, long-term growth.

Trump, of course, had no regard for sustainability or anything… He only cared about his image in the immediate future.

That same shortsightedness is what led to his apocalyptic failure to deal with covid, ironically destroying his image in the immediate future, and probably being the singular reason he failed to be re-elected.

They did, and Trump wasn’t happy about it.

I forget did they actually hike them? I forget if they actually hiked them a bit, or backed off after Trump threw a fit… maybe I’m thinking of what they were about to do, right before covid hit?

Here’s the chart for Trump’s Presidency to now. Powell was never interested in Trump’s hysterics. He gave no fucks.

Can you explain this? I’m not sure I disagree with you, but I’m curious to hear your reasoning. My vague intuition says that a known, steady, slightly positive inflation target is best for everyone. Rampant inflation is bad for working class folks because wages are sticky and they’re the ones who bear the brunt of price hikes (because they spend more of their income on stuff.) Really low inflation is bad because people start stuffing cash into mattresses and the economy grounds to a halt, and middle class families whose primary asset is their home get to watch its value fall into a black hole and are unable to get credit to start to dig out.

So, yeah, it’s a big complicated mess of a topic with many intersecting elements and no clean through line.

And the effects are not clean in any way, with lots of counter intuitive interactions.

So let me put the baseline like this. Low inflationary targets prioritize capital and investment income over labor. This is because low inflation means greater realization on gains from capital investment. To pick arbitrary examples, if inflation 0% then you require a lower rate of return on investment capital than if inflation is 10%. At higher inflation rates then the rate of return must exceed that inflation more, otherwise it makes more sense to park money in bond markets than capital infrastructure.

Continuing on from that at higher inflation rates the future value of current debt is relatively lower. Now interest rates and borrowing rates do impact this here, but at a very basic level, if an debt of $10k is owed, then the future value of said debt at 10% inflation is relatively less. In a theoretical example where someone’s income tracks to inflation, higher inflation means they are able to pay back the debt sooner and more easily, as their income increases relative to the debt more.

It also has impacts on the long term relative value of held assets. Again another big kettle of fish, and the system has feedback loops that push both ways on this, but broadly there is a depreciative effect on large capital holdings.

Another factor is stock market prices. There is an inverse relationship between stock market prices and inflation. Higher inflation causes drops in stock prices, while lower inflation numbers goose the same. Similar to how better wage growth reports cause stock prices to crash, or better than expected job growth causes the same. Things that directly increase the amount of money given to labor versus capital have downward pressures on stock prices. If its good for the workers, its bad for the owners and all. Anyhow, lower inflation, for a whole host of reasons, makes stocks more attractive, which in turn raises their value. Simply put the lower interest and inflation are, the lower rate of return required to make profit on investments. And lower inflation rates tied to lower interest mean capital investments through bond selling, loans, etc. for companies are relatively cheaper, and so those sorts of investments become more common. Which in turn leads to greater outputs, etc. This all leads to higher stock prices.

But, again, complex noisy system, so it is not A-> B causal relationship, but more like broadly observable trends with significant variance.

So overall the economic impacts of higher inflation broadly benefit those with low, or negative asset wealth, while being detrimental to those whose wealth derives from held assets.

Now granted I am not an economist, and economists do not agree on this topic. Also noting that the economist class in the US is decidedly of a conservative (political) bent, and things like the Chicago school of economic theory bake in certain assumptions that are in dire need of examination and reassessment. So if you read 10 economists takes on the impacts of inflation you’ll likely end with 20 opinions on the downstream effects.

However over the course of my casual study and reading on the topic over the years, I have drawn the conclusion that broadly speaking low inflation rates disproportionately benefit those who draw most of their earnings from investment income, and financial sectors, as well as those who have large real estate holdings.

So the net effect is that, in overly simplistic terms, higher inflation is good for people who have less, especially those who have significant debts compared to their income. But significant caveats about wage growth and stagnation exist, such that it is possible for many people to experience losses to this as wages fail to keep up with price increases.

However you also already see this in the current low inflation rates of the last few decades as wages have not kept pace with inflation, and particularly slipped with relation to the costs of education and housing which are broadly not counted within the inflation numbers in any way that tracks to the real experience of the working classes (but how inflation is calculated is a whole separate and interesting topic!). So it is hardly a controversial position to stake that the modern incarnation of low inflation targeting being the driver of fed policy has negatively impacted the working class to the benefit of the capital class. We have decades of evidence to show that current policy directives cause direct harm to the actual working class, and so that current measures and metrics are not designed for the benefit of workers.

To specifically address Matt’s issue of inflation and wages, one of the big driving factors of inflation is actually increases in wages for middle and working class folks. In many circumstances, higher wages increases their ability to buy which in turn allows sellers to raise prices, thus generating inflation. So it is often (but not always) the case that when you have high inflation, you already have high rates of wage increase (in other words this means the exact opposite of “wages are sticky”, due to the arrow of causation in this scenario.)

Another way to phrase it is that high inflation can often be a symptom of wage increases. In many circumstances, those wage increases will be a good thing, which will sort of pre-offset the negatives of inflation.

In other words, none of this is simple one way causation. There are multiple factors and multiples directions causation can occur.

It is very simplistic and IMO wrong to simply say “Inflation bad always!” (but also equally wrong to say “Inflation never bad!”).

Or, TLDR, since I’m a lawyer, (say it with me now) “It Depends.”

As a person with a mortgage and student loans, I would not be opposed to a bit of inflation.

But then, my position comes with cost of living increases annually.

Well I certainly hope this was not the take away from my post!

As an engineer my TLDR is, we are modeling complex systems with multiple inputs and outputs that interact in sometimes unpredictable, or counterintuitive, ways.

Isn’t that just “it depends” in non legal language?

No I was referring to some of the earlier paraphrasing which was simplistic. Your engineers explanation was admirably detailed.

Well sure but I’m not Devin Stone, in either style, appearance, or income ;)

Remember that Trump campaigned on raising interest rates to add a further level of confusion.

Thanks for the rundown guys. That helps!

I feel like if you can’t attract waiters to your celebrity restaurant at $120k/year, even in LA, there’s something else going on. Either your working environment is terrible or there’s a bigger meta-story here. I feel like $120k should be enough to get someone back to work even if he/she has kids that need to be looked after.

Maybe Puck is lying, and his waiters aren’t making $120k a year?

I wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled that number out of his ass and thinks they make that much in tips.

I just really have a hard time believing you can’t find a waiter for 120k a year. There’s a lot of waiters making less than that so why aren’t any of them taking the job?

Just did a quick search…
Spago Beverly Hills Server Salaries | CareerBliss.

Spago Beverly Hills Servers earn $35,000 annually , or $17 per hour, which is 19% higher than the national average for all Servers at $29,000 annually and 61% lower than the national salary average for ​all working Americans. The highest paid Servers work for Fish Market at $61,000 annually and the lowest paid Servers work for Fort McDowell Casino at $10,000 annually.

Higher than most waiters, but it ain’t 120k. Now, perhaps tips push that number up quite a bit… but 100k up? Nah, don’t think so, Puck.

Thanks for the search. It certainly does look like this is more about a super rich guy simply not having any idea how much the people who work for him make. I’m assuming the manager at that restaurant is going to get inundated with resumes from waiters eager to earn $120k/year though!

So this is Puck’s “What can a banana cost?” moment.