The Vaccines vs Torch Wielding Mobs debate continues


#1042

Yeah, I don’t think it’s crazy. As a child chickenpox is a nuisance. It’s just awful as an adult, and can be a genuinely serious illness.

There might also be some mixup with the discovery of the smallpox vaccine from the immunity people who had caught the (much milder, but still not nice) cowpox disease earlier.

Exposing kids to measles would just be insane, though.


#1043

And a fair number of those parents don’t realize, even today; that Chickenpox kills, it still does. It can be a very serious and lethal diseases. Prior to the vaccine there really was a well let’s get it over with while they’re young and healthy mentality which probably wasn’t the worst idea considering the numbers involved, but… just don’t want to encourage people avoiding the vaccine because of that.


#1044

Oh yeah, now that there is a vaccine it would be stupid to do.
At the time it made some sense since you were probably going to get the fucking thing at some point.


#1045

I had the best case of chicken pox as a kid. Got a bunch of red dots on my body and… that was it. Zero other symptoms. Felt fine and got two weeks off of school!

I keep wondering Shingles is looking to even that score.


#1046

I was the same way, and I’ve heard shingles is worse in those who barely had chicken pox.


#1047

Got chicken pox as an adult here. It was moderately serious, and the doctors were very happy my fever stayed out of the danger zone. But I likely have a gene helping with getting childhood diseases as an adult *.

I was exposed to it as a child, and was of the generation where you had chicken pox parties. I do remember my brother having chicken pox as a child. But, my measles vaccines were not until later - they were too new when I was an infant, and I had measles before them. Measles could kill too then, but I got them old enough it was not bad. And I wonder if this:

Measles Affects Immune System

Might explain why. My immune system may have “forgotten” the chicken pox immune response due to the measles after. The vaccines even had to be redone as an adult (I volunteered in an ER and they require titers to verify immune standing before entering the program). Mine were lower than required, so I’ve had MMR vaccines twice! And chicken pox, twice. And measles, once.

Then I got shingles.

My daughter noticed it was likely that before I did, and I got on an antiviral within the first couple of days. I also have a high pain tolerance. So, they weren’t bad, but I had mitigating circumstances.

So if you do get shingles, get on an antiviral ASAP.

I like vaccines! I would have had three uncles, but the first one died as an infant from childhood diseases. My grandmother had been told she would not survive to adulthood too but beat the odds. How can people forget all this so quickly? I’m not that old, and this is just one family’s story. I do not understand.

* My GP at the time surmised that the percentage of native ancestry I have may help, since most of those living now were ones that survived getting all the European diseases, mostly as adults. My immune system did handle adult chicken pox better than average. Much like many Europeans have genes that helped them survive the plague. And if people stop vaccinating, and antibiotics become less effective (a different issue) then I hope I got all the immune survival genes from every branch of my family tree! I may need them to see my grandkid grow up.


#1048

I got chicken pox in my mid twenties. My wife never had it so we quickly got her the vaccine the same day I started showing symptoms. It doesn’t give full immunity immediately, but she didn’t end up catching it despite tending to me the whole time.

It was pretty rough though. I had a high fever and had difficulty breathing at one point, my wife called 911 and a bunch of fireman came and gave me oxygen.


#1049

Good grief. Maybe they are ordering their own “Freedom Blankets”.


#1050

They don’t even have to forgot. I’m too young to have experienced most of these, outside chickenpox, first hand. I understand, conceptually, what these diseases do and did. Combine that with the fact that there are still many places in the world ravaged by these diseases that lack the privilege of easily accessible vaccines, complete with data and photos.

Understanding these diseases, from the safety of your home, is incredibly easy today. The anti-vaccine crowd is not just ignorant, they’re lazy. They wait for lies to drop on their social media doorsteps and then spread them with the aid of a keyboard.


#1051

Speaking as someone who is… not as young as other folks on this board… at the time it made a VAST amount of sense.

If your kid got the disease at a young age (pre-school or so), then the antibodies they developed would very likely prevent them from re-acquiring the disease later on. This was a pretty widely-recognized medical fact, drilled into young parent’s heads by their family doctors.

Sure, it wasn’t a 100% immunity, but it was far better than nothing. And since getting the disease as a late teen or an adult could lead to sterility, deafness or other horrible side-effects, you really, REALLY wanted your kid to get the disease early since as Shiva notes you were pretty much guaranteed to get it at some point in your life.

Chickpox “play-dates” were such a common (and doctor-encouraged!) way of quasi-immunizing kids that military bases and many churches would publish the names of infected kids along with their home phone numbers in their weekly newsletters so that other young families could more easily make contact.


#1052

This is how I got the disease as a kid. Science and medical understanding, of course, has advanced significantly since.


#1053

Well, that and the vaccine.

I got it late in life. Like 2 weeks later they made the vaccine. I wasn’t a happy camper.


#1054

Oof! Yeah, that hurts. I still bring this up every now and then when I see my folks, just to rub it in their faces how I was “smarter” than adults even as a little kid, lol.


#1055

Oh man. That sucks.


#1056

What a great opportunity! I would have told all my friends that they had taken my blood to create the vaccine, and I was the one who had magic serum and have saved humanity from the scourge of this disease. Vicky would totally have gone out with me then.


#1057

BTW, if you’re doc will allow it, take the new two stage shingles shot. Two shots, hurt like hell (and I don’t mind shots - hurt = leaves the shoulder really sore) but you do NOT want shingles. One of my managers in my labs, around 40 I would guess, has them right now. He’s miserable, clothes rub and make him hurt, and some of the shingles are on his face - not pretty.


#1058

Yeah, last time I went to the doctor, she told me about this vaccine and I jumped all over it. Got the first one then, with the second one in about 3 months. You can get them starting at 50, and I think I was about two weeks past turning 50.

It does leave the shoulder quite painful for about a day (like a deep-bruise kind of pain), but if I don’t have to experience shingles one day - totally worth it.


#1059

I asked my doc about it, and she said i should wait until 60. She seemed to think it doesn’t last.


#1060

So is this like prohibitively expensive or something? I wonder why people can’t take it earlier and then just get a booster later.


#1061

Your immune response gets weaker as you age. So your immunity from vaccines is weaker, and/or you need more frequent boosters. At some point it isn’t worth it, except for high probability diseases like the flu.