4309

They said the same thing for ghosts but changed it to native 1080p a couple days back, you’re right.

I don’t know about you guys, but having not bought into the military scripted shooter craze, I mix up battlefield and CoD all the time. They just seem so similar and boring.

4310

I have them pretty well differentiated in my mind, but yeah, I’m skipping BF4 (at least for now) because I just didn’t see anything worth $60 base game + $50 for Premium to upgrade from BF3.

Regarding the whole Resolutiongate issue, while I personally couldn’t care less if Ghosts was playing at 720p, 1080p, or 4K native, I do think the difficulty balancing rendering resolution with framerate on the XBONE is only going to get worse as time goes on. Devs always get better at squeezing juice out of consoles as the gen progresses, but that applies to both consoles - and in this gen there is already a disparity.

4311

Well, no, my Pc will run that just dandy at 720p. I’m not sure it would run it at 1080p, or higher. If the ONE did so with more Fx, I might be tempted (let’s say, a one that was 30-40% more … oomphy, than the ps4 - that I would buy)

I will skip halo titles and/or play stuff on my PC rather than buy the weakersauce version of two near identical consoles.

  • and my Pc was like $850 a few months ago and likely very close to $500 by this time.
4312

I have some problems with the mere fact that this is being called “resolutiongate” in first place, as that only the consequence of the root problem, no the problem itself. The problem itself is a substantial difference in power, around 35-40% between consoles.
Right now it’s presenting in the form of resolution differences, but later it can be in framerate… or directly in better graphics for ps4.

It also seems some people believe this will be like 360/ps3 situation where they were mostly on par but the ps3 needed more dev work. It isn’t the same. First, the past generation were closer in power, say 10-15%, not a 40%. And second, the Cell was really “special”, higher theoretical power than the 360, but to get just 80% of it you really had to sweat blood to get it. I don’t think the 32Mb of ESRAM of the Xbox one (harder to use than the memory in ps4) is going to be like Cell, I very much doubt it’s going to pay really high dividends in power even if you get to use it in an efficient way.

4313

If your PC can play next-gen console ports at console speed/quality, you don’t have a really powerful incentive to buy a console at all. Most cross-platform titles also release on windows. So you’re not really the audience here.

I’m in the same boat, I have no plans to purchase either console, because there are no exclusives that I really want. I purchased the first and second Xbox for Bioware RPG exclusives, and Bioware isn’t releasing anything this cycle.

4314

I don’t know about you guys, but having not bought into the Bioware scripted RPG craze, I mix up Mass Effect and KOTR and Dragon Age all the time. They just seem so similar and boring.

4315

Sure, because star wars and dragons are interchangeable. Are you over 75 years old?

4316

Yes, I have a similar problem telling whether someone is trolling or attempting a joke sometimes.

Generally I try to be polite and give them the benefit of the doubt. Generally…

4317

Except Titanfall is not really a true exclusive as it’s also available on the PC right from the start. And unlike Halo it’s only the first game of the series that is exclusive. I would compare it more to Mass Effect. It will cause some people to get an Xbone but a lot will just play it on the PC instead.

4318

Heh. That is exactly the wrong comparison. Mass Effect 1 is why I bought an xbox360. Before the 360 launched, ME1 wasn’t supposed to release on the PC at all, and it didn’t end up coming out on PC until almost a year later. If it had released simultaneously I never would have purchased a 360 at all.

This came up earlier-- if you have a decent gaming PC, you probably aren’t the primary console audience anyway. There’s a lot of crossover.

4319

CoD is max 16 player infantry only FPS. Battlefield is 64 players on huge maps with ya know tanks, jeeps, APC’s, helicopters, and Jets all going at it…so ya there basically the same thing and easy to confuse…who’s 75 years old dude?

4320

Yeah, with Cell plumbing the depths actually had rewards. Best case scenario, it let you do things on PS3 not possible on 360. With the Xbox One’s ESRAM it appears you have to optimize like crazy just to keep your performance no worse than half a PS4. Best case scenario your performance is no worse than the difference on paper, and god help you when GPGPU and HSA techniques become commonplace.

One thing is for certain, and Xbox One is a really poor compliment to a gaming capable PC.

4321

To a guy who isn’t interested in wargame FPSs they’re much more interchangeable than Star Wars and Dragon Age would be. But then Star Wars and Mass Effect might be interchangeable to the FPS guy, another Bioware space RPG.

4322

I’ll never understand when people say stuff like this. So many of the biggest games aren’t exclusive, which makes it really tough to justify paying $100 more for the inferior console. Maybe if it was $300-350 (not weighted down with the albatross of Kinect around its neck) it would be more attractive, but at $500 I can’t imagine purchasing one, and I own around 100 360 games.

4323

You’re actually making the same point. Games, and particularly exclusives, are what sell consoles. In the absence of exclusives, you might as well buy the less expensive console.

Stusser’s argument is that exclusives, when they exist, sell consoles and determine winners/losers. Your argument is that there aren’t any compelling exclusives, so you might as well buy a PS4 (which is cheaper and more powerful). These arguments aren’t mutually exclusive.

4324

@Jason:
I wouldn’t really call the Battlefield maps huge. But they are bigger than the single room you fight in when playing COD, that is for sure.

I’d be interested to see them replacing the Slow moving Jets stuck below a 2000 feet limitation with … dragons.

4325

Mark Rubin tries to tapdance around a Resolutiongate question:

GC: So the obvious assumption from all this is that the PlayStation 4 is definitely more powerful than the Xbox One, is that true?

MR: [acting very embarrassed] I can’t answer that.

GC: You can’t answer it on a technical level or because you’re being diplomatic?

MR: Can’t answer that.

GC: You can’t say whether you’re avoiding the question for diplomatic reasons?

MR: [embarrassed] I just can’t say anything…

[Even the attending PR guy is looking embarrassed by this point]

PR guy: It’s very hard for us to be…

GC: Are the console manufacturers leaning on you to avoid these sort of questions?

MR: [unsure - speaking to PR guy] I don’t know if that…

MR: [even more embarrassed to us] Yeah, there’s things that we… We sign NDAs with the first parties [i.e. Microsoft and Sony - GC] and there are things that we’re not allowed to talk about.

GC: So when John Carmack and Shinji Mikami say the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are almost identical, is that something you could agree with?

MR: Hmm… I would say that’s a bit inaccurate but I wouldn’t be able to tell you any detail of why that’s inaccurate.

GC: For diplomatic reasons?

MR: Yes.

4326

Exactly, but I WAS the target audience. I would’ve bought a super powered 360 day one. Turns our sony made one, but I didnt really like my ps3, so I will be waiting a year at minimum to grab it.

The extra dough for shitty tech really shuts down the possibility of my biting. I’m just still feeling weird that they chose a different audience so hard that I literally could not buy their product without feeling like an idiot.

I prefer console gaming, but I dont want to buy any assy hardware this time around.

4327

Hahahahahaha!

Ahem…that’s pathetic. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

4328

Damn if that doesn’t sum it up nicely.

See you after a price drop, Xbone. Maybe. I’m getting the feeling that this is going to be a hard product to love.