Here, it’s linked on the same page as ZP, but I guess no one ever scrolls down. My favorite is for Modern Warfare 2, but YMMV.

I teach a class in Critical Studies of Games that is mostly college freshmen. When I ask them who their favorite game critic is, the overwhelming response for the last three years has been Yahtzee. When I ask them to name another game critic, I usually get, “Kotaku.” Once in awhile I will get someone naming Gerstmann, Jeff Green, or possibly Crescente.

When I ask them to write a critical analysis of a game, they generally go very negative. I have to fight with them to get them to name anything positive about a game that I assign.

You want to argue. Okay. Yahtzee has used the word “gay” many times to mean “bad.” There you go.

She didn’t cite anything, she says,

Cos when you desecrate every game
Is it okay
Is it okay
To be
The way
I am.

So, she’s asking if Yahtzee is being ironic by making fun of people who shit all over everything, or is he just shitting all over everything. It’s the same defense that Rush Limbaugh is using nowadays-- “I just said that outrageous thing to tweek the liberal media.”

John Walker? Kieron Gillen? Chet and Erik?

Come on, freshmen. You’re studying something I’ve only ever played for goodness sake! You can do better than Kotaku.

I’ve written an occasional game review on a board that has a post-rating system. Generally my highest rated reviews have been ones where I rip something to shreds, though to be fair I’ve gotten positive feedback on glowing reviews of some popular games like Fallout 3.

It’s true that Yahtzee needs to find a way to vary his routine a bit. I like the humor, I like how irreverent he is, but currently his “positive” reviews consist of a disclaimer that the game is good followed by some nitpicking. Batman and Fallout 3 come to mind. Psychonauts being the notable exception, and demonstrates that he doesn’t have to compromise his voice to say something good about a game.

In any case, there’s definitely a need for someone to snark about the really stupid parts of games. Mainstream reviews usually don’t do justice to how truly bad some things are.

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Make it “ever hearing of Rebecca Mayes”. Man alive! That girl can’t sing/write her way out of a wet paper bag.

I’d be curious to know who specifically Yahtzee was slagging off to offend her… unless the whole thing is just some publicity stunt, obviously.

Don’t you think the fact that they included her song at the end of his video means he doesn’t take himself too seriously? Surely they told him they would put it there.

I personally see Yahtzee as The Daily Show of video game reviews. He doesn’t have a responsibility to be politically correct or even-handed or insightful or fair. His only responsibility is to be funny. The fact that he often has comments which are offensive, incendiary and insightful is just a sidebar. If kids are looking to him as their favourite video game critic, that’s less his failure than it is the failure of the video game criticism “establishment”, if such a thing exists.

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I think you took a very different message away from that song than I did. I think we would agree that the songwriter aped Yahtzee’s style while dealing with much emotionally deeper issues than ZP ever does. I think it was imitation as flattery though, not criticism.

The video also, frankly, looks like it was animated by Yahtzee. This is unlikely if he felt the song was “calling him out” on any level.

Actually showing herself singing juxtaposed against ZP’s style was probably the cleverest bit of her video and it’s pleasant song too. Dean, I do think, because of your interaction with students that your negativity goes a bit overboard toward Yahtzee. He’s as insightful and coherent in his arguments as his jokes are crude.

And now for something completely misogynistic …

Nah, nevermind.

I actually teach a class about Yahtzees and when asked who their favorite critic of Yahtzee is, most of the students say Dean. When asked who their second favorite is, they say Rob Merritt.

Woah… it was definitely criticism, it just wasn’t hate filled. It was more like how you’d approach a friend doing something that you found really distasteful and unproductive, just in song form.

More or less my reaction as well. I think I watched her review of Velvet Assassin and it was…odd.

Jesus, god know. The animation was far worse then anything Croshaw has ever done.

Blech. To each his own, I guess, but I disliked the composition of the video. As the song got bigger, the content of the shot got much, much smaller. I don’t know whether she was trying to make a point or not, but if she WAS trying to make a point, she did so at the cost of her final product, which is not cool. Breaking out of animation and into the natural world with a big instrumental backing to some scrawny, frizzy haired crazy woman apparently shrieking at me directly was very disorienting.

Yeah, you kind of missed the point of that. The song’s about Yahtzee being uncomfortable with himself and basically using his acidic and–using her words–“medieval” wit for validation of his bitter personality (and potentially self-loathing issues) while simultaneously hiding behind it and the animation. She’s saying the animation is more than Yahtzee trying to pair cute visuals with crass jokes for a funny juxtaposition but also acts as a shield for his ego. It’s part of his props for dealing with people (along with his hat, pickles, and bag of penis jokes).

That’s why she doesn’t just mimic his style, but shows herself during the video to visualize her argument.

Well. . . I think maybe your students are terrible. And maybe they’re douches. Look, I wouldn’t expect them to know everybody (but if they can say Yahtzee/Gerstmann/Jeff Green/Kotaku, I would be surprised if some of them couldn’t name Chick, or any number of other critics/journalists). But that’s not even trying. I don’t know what else to tell you. Have them read some Costikyan.

But I don’t really understand what the fact that your students name Yahtzee and “Kotaku” has to do with anything (outside of them either being ignorant, and/or just being terrible). If you were teaching this class 12-15 years ago, they could cote about Scorpia (who frequently was negative too, as people sometimes forget). And Martin Cirulis’ “What’s the Deal With. . .” columns. Or Old Man Murray. We could also talk about CSIPG.[Name it], or how people on web forums are too mean to games, and can we please just find some place where people cherish games (yes, people were bitching about that in 1998. Actually, it was old in 1998).

When I ask them to write a critical analysis of a game, they generally go very negative. I have to fight with them to get them to name anything positive about a game that I assign.

Ok, so they can’t write for shit. But so far we just know your students are ignorant and possibly also stupid. This isn’t a reflection of Yahtzee’s existence. It’s a reflection to the fact that they don’t really get Yahtzee, or his place in the gaming world. Of course, they have plenty of “shining examples” (scare quotes for snarkiness) of positivity to look up to, and you could point them to any number of those. And I’m not even talking about people on the level of the bot masquerading as Jose Liz.

It seems to me that when examining game criticism, the overall level of negativity/positivity is secondary to actual quality criticism. That was certainly Jose Lizbot’s problem. That he was overwhelmingly positive was of little consequence. It was that he couldn’t write for shit. It wasn’t just that he would regurgitate materials from previews to reviews (the stuff sometimes even originating in company press releases and the like). Or even that he came off as the worst kind of shill. He really couldn’t write.

You want to argue. Okay.

Well, I just wanted a discussion. But okay?

Yahtzee has used the word “gay” many times to mean “bad.” There you go.

Yeah, I know. Do you really think he’s insensitive to plight of the gays? Or something like that?

So, she’s asking if Yahtzee is being ironic by making fun of people who shit all over everything, or is he just shitting all over everything. It’s the same defense that Rush Limbaugh is using nowadays-- “I just said that outrageous thing to tweek the liberal media.”

No, see, here’s the thing. He’s not “just shitting on everything”. He’s offering up meaningful game criticism. He’s dressing those criticisms up with the most over the top, mean, snarky rhetoric a human being can conjure up without lapsing into incoherence. Neither you nor I could pull that off. We know your students are barely competent enough to write their own names, so of course they can’t pull it off.

It’s not a style for everyone, I can completely understand that. Yahtzee isn’t the Robot Unicorn Attack of critics (that is, some sort of super evolved critic who has moved beyond our own understanding of the universe). His style isn’t even new (it’s just taken to a level few have reached). OMM frequently did the same sort of thing (slightly different rhetorical style, of course, but often very negative and very over the top). But it isn’t like he just cusses about a game and then signs off, either.

I would characterize it more as taking cover. Your analysis sounds like I should be snapping my fingers in lieu of applause. If I’m not willing to extend that favor to her beatnik grandparents, I certainly won’t do it for her, no matter how eminently passable I find her appearance to be.

Clearly, Yahtzee expands the set of game critics that sheltered undergrads know about beyond Kotaku. His status as a force for good: confirmed!

Unrelated, I hope that referring to the upcoming Xcom shooter as “Custard Pie Fight with Christopher Walken” takes off–especially if it turns out to be really good.

Taking cover from what?

Your analysis sounds like I should be snapping my fingers in lieu of applause. If I’m not willing to extend that favor to her beatnik grandparents, I certainly won’t do it for her, no matter how eminently passable I find her appearance to be.

I didn’t say you have to applaud it, I said it was clever and you missed the point. Though if your criticism amounts to impersonating Nixon, then it doesn’t amount to much.

I don’t quite understand what the point of the “hey, come to England so I can stab you wink wink” part was.

Anyway, he’s a misanthrope because he’s a comic. Do you know lots of stand-up comedians that are nice, happy people? He gets his humor from his hatred of everything, including himself. It’s what works. It annoys me when people don’t understand that for what it is.