Total War: Warhammer 2

Well, this is Warhammer, so every unit is basically the bestest in the world (narrator: they aren’t). And some units are really not worth their cost in Gold - the White Lions is one of them. Units with low defense and HP tend to suffer - it doesn’t help that you can kill enemy units fast,

Different players will have different playstyles, but my go to strategy, which works for many races, is to build lots of low-level spearmen (8-10) and archers (8) in the beginning, at least for the first 1-2 armies. You want to weaken the enemy as they advance, then allow them to engage your spearwall in combat (which is why this strategy usually uses spearmen rather than swords - spears die slower, though a mix can also work), then use your few starting elite units to smash the enemy morale by charging the enemy in the flanks/rear. Ideally you also have some starting artillery, which will usually force the enemy to come to you (rather than the opposite) - that’s always a big help. Upgrading to shielded spearmen/swordmen if possible is an advantage, because it again allows them to survive a little longer (and especially make them less vulnerable to enemy missiles), but I’d rather build up to a full army before upgrading the buildings.

Your lord’s task (if he is any good), is to take out the enemy leader/hero if he can. That both makes it more likely the enemy will break, as well as rids you of one of the enemy’s dangerous units. Dragons (and flying melee units in general) are there to destroy enemy missile troops/artillery first, distracting enemy melee units, and then to join in charging enemies from the rear once any missile troops have been dispatched.

The Lothern Sea Guard is brilliant because it is basically Shielded Missile Unit with spears, which means they don’t need anyone protecting them, so you can pretty much run with 1 Lord, 1 Artillery, and 18 Lothern Sea Guard if you feel like. It’s a formidable (though weak to heavily armored enemy), if a bit boring, army.

How to skaven:

Expand very slowly
If you are clan skyre for example feel free to sack that first town next to you over and over
Sometines the beastmen are annoying and break the town so you can’t farm it for xp

Go for 3-4 catapults, 3-4 sniper guns 3-4 gatlings.

Lord, engineer and priests. The priests are your tanks. They each summon 6 clanrats 2 monks

Early on you can have extra Lord following with clanslaves, very useful. They can climb walls for you, spend enemy ammo, or even just tire and separate the enemy as they break and try to chase the skavenslaves. Also handy snacks.

See I don’t have any qualms with CA’s DLC model for basically the reason you stated. They mostly add new factions and a few new units. You can absolutely go ahead and buy game 1+2 for what, 35 bucks on sale? I bet they’ve bundled them cheaper. And see if you like the game enough that you are bored with the mere 20 or so factions. Yes you’ll have less options in competitive multiplayer, but that is a very small percentage of players.

and @Chaplin figuring out the reason why you want to bring one unit over another is roughly 75% of the fun I have playing Total Wars. Sometimes units only real difference is economic. One is better and costs more. But most of the time the units have some small niche they are good at or terrible at. Campaign’s biggest flaw to me is that units that aren’t good in sieges have no place in your armies, which basically removes all skirmishers and chariots from consideration. These units are good in open field battles, but 50%+ of your battles are sieges in this game.

I suspect a lot of people that play this game don’t realize how OP getting an immediate second stack of the cheapest chaff units to run around with your main stack actually is for every faction. Bretonnia especially, no Supply Lines penalties. But that’s really only a big consideration on Very Hard or Legendary.

I think I failed my campaign attempt. I built up my one hero. Took the Sift Sands region, and then spent like 20 turns running back and forth trying to chase drive by threats until I had a city plundered here or there or just fell behind in the technology. This later point is an issue for me as I don’t understand the progression for elves. They seem VERY building dependent and I am so starved for cash that I am just trying to get economic buildings.

I think I am going to restart, but this time get a second stack ASAP that is just the warden/ unit chaser in territory as I use my main stack to advance actual objectives. I think I will also dabble with @strategy 's advice and get some Sea Guard. My attempts to have a mix of Rangers and Spear units to hold the line for my archers was not working. My best battles were garrison troops that just held a line with Spearmen as archers shot away.

About DLC, I admit it is daunting to look at that stack of DLC or to look at how much I have spent per hour of return (so far). That said:

  1. Their DLC model is quite generous. As long as you don’t want to play AS something, you get the DLC for free. New stuff just gets put into the game as enemies. That is pretty nice. There is a lot of entertainment to be had off of a single purchase and that just keeps growing. (Notable exception= TW:W1 for ME campaign)

  2. The DLC release pacing and cost, is actually fairly trivial for the amount of entertainment return per dollar if someone is going to play the as new faction in a given DLC. If someone is not going to play as the new faction, then don’t buy it and see point #1 above. (Notable exception= faction roster expansion, but if you like a faction, just spend the $9 for more of that faction).

The primary problematic piece of this is multiplayer, though thats a tiny portion of the playerbase.

Hit a frustrating bug - I reached the final battle of the vortex campaign with my Skaven run - and the script seems broken. I get to fight the entire scenario all at once.

Huh I would’ve actually liked that.

Final vortex battle is a complete pushover.

I promise it’s pretty impossible this way.

Rangers aren’t designed for holding the line, they are flanking anti-infantry units. You put them at the flanks of your armies and pull them in along the flanks and rear after the main infantry line has engaged. They are micromanagement intensive and kind of underwhelming in campaign. They seem good in skirmish-y MP builds, but that’s a whole different game almost.

Just go for the spear line, Silverin Guard are a nice upgrade to spearmen that are accessible early, or you can just go with a full front line of Sea Guard.

One of the most critical things with the High Elves is that more than any other faction they benefit from trade income. Every turn you need to make sure any faction that you can have a trade agreement with and you aren’t planning on attacking in the next 10 turns, you have. You can use Influence to make factions like you more, and it’s often worth spending a little gold if you have to and get those trade agreements going. They become real economic powerhouses.

Edited to add: also with the Silverin Guard, they have Charge Defense Against All and something like 1 Charge Bonus. You don’t want to charge them into anything that is charging them, let them brace for the hit. The only time you should give them attack orders is on enemies that aren’t coming at them.

Don’t bother with the Sea Guard in the beginning, at least not for a good long while. Your last sentence here is the key - a line of spearmen supported by a bunch of archers are by far your most cost-efficient early-game HE army. Supported by the few hard-hitting units to outflank the enemy, they can pincushion and defeat most early game AI armies. You do want to get the Sea Guard eventually, but your first priority is to build up your money-making machine.

Sea Guard are more mid-to-late game units. Early on, IIRC, you can get 1 spearman + 1 archer for almost the same cost/maintenance as a Sea Guard, and you really, really want the additional number of units. Having 2-3 armies instead of 1, also means it is much, much easier to keep your empire safe, while continuing expansion. A full stack of spear and archers behind walls will only rarely get attacked (and if they do, they should win). Having to rush back and forth with your main army to keep things stable is typically one of the first indications that you’re in a losing game.

My only issue with the DLC is that as they add in interesting mechanics for new LL’s and races, the older ones feel more and more left behind. Then CA come along and freshen up an old one, and the cycle begins again. Obviously Chaos, Beastmen and Wood Elves need some love given how much they’ve been left behind. And following that, Norsca needs something extra, and maybe the Dwarves could do with some expanding. And the cycle will continue.

Rangers are great for lawn mowing Skaven hordes. To a certain extent conventional lower tier Elvish armies don’t really have the staying power again very large Skaven armies because high defense but low offense doesn’t kill fast enough to survive. If you’re facing Skaven you can just about spam Rangers and do well against most of their lower tier trash.

So as I give this Imrik run another try I have two questions:

  1. There seems to be Skaven corruption all over and the Skaven army raking is going up and up. I don’t see any Skaven though. Is there under cities in my empire or near? How do I find them?

  2. As Imrik do I ignore the Sword of Khaine stuff? It seems REALLY far away from way down south.

I am seeing some graphics similar to your example, but I am not seeing the “Battle LOD Remover” option in the in game graphics options. Am I blind? Is it somewhere else? My machine is a monster that I pretty much built for this game so it should be able to handle it. I still get grumpy about their bad SSAO effects on some maps so I leave it off, but everything else is on.

I assume they mean a mod

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2029164853

Both Imrik starts are near Skaven. Eshin to the east on ME (also some to the NW, Rictus iirc). Mors to the NE on Vortex.
As far as finding them, it’s a function of detectability and heroes in a province. If you really think there is an undercity you can build the “Skaven detection” building. Or just kill off the faction. On ME building the anti-corruption structure at Tier 3 (the Phoenix chain) is probably a good idea anyway because one of your buildings generates Vampire corruption so it will help deal with that.

I mean, everyone basically ignores it for the most part in my experience. Imrik certainly does, it’s way too far away to worry about. Alarielle will probably grab it and run around fighting DEs on the other side of the planet at some point. Doesn’t really matter to you.

@ShivaX Ok. I had an option to confederate Celdor, but that looked like it was going to split my empire where I would have the south stuff plus a northern traditional HE concerns (Sword of Khaine). I decided to pass so I could focus on the area around Imrik’s start. I see 100% corruption in my provinces, but no Skaven influence although there was and event talking about triangular marks on doors. So maybe I do and maybe I don’t have a Skaven problem.

@MisterMourning Overall, my game is going pretty well. I feel like I am understanding mechanics both of the game and of HE more. Focusing on Spearmen and Archers while using the Lion Guard as a flank hitter on the wings has worked MUCH better. I am making a beeline for Imrik’s Quartermaster talent. I am still not able to field a second army financially. The upkeep of Imrik’s is too high and he is draining my income. The last game I was able to setup trade with the hunter guy to my NE, but not this game. So my money has been hurting bad. I was on the edge of bankruptcy for several turns. I finally just paid off Kemri to start a trade agreement and that helped tremendously. Between him and the sort of do-nothing woodelves to the south, I have trade income that is saving my empire.

I am sitting well for the moment as I control and build up Shifting Sands and Northern River. I am looking at moving against TicTac to claim the rest of the corner and to aid the hunter so that I can maybe gain another trade partner as I expect the Kemri thing to not last. Then maybe move against the Stratos undead next to me that have been irritating now and again. From there…I am not sure. Maybe I will try to beat up the Tomb Kings. I am hoping the quests give me an idea. I am about on turn 20 and it is feeling like a good run and perhaps a breakthrough game.

Oh, okay. I am running full vanilla since I have a lot to learn and the recent DLC probably broke mods anyway.

@Chaplin I haven’t played the Imrik start but I’m guessing that like Teclis it is a bit harder because Eltharion, Tyrion and Alarielle have a ton of trade partners immediately available and that makes those campaigns pretty easy. But the High Elves most basic economic building makes cash and trade goods so they can really get a lot of mileage out of trade income. I’m glad the game is going better!

That LOD mod works fine on the current patch, it doesn’t impact game balance, just makes the game look nicer if that jarring graphics transition bothers you! The other one that is 100% worth the click to download is Better Camera. It just removes all the silly camera restrictions the game imposes and I can’t play without it.

Also if you don’t know, if you press the R key once on the campaign map, it speeds up animation speeds so you don’t need to watch your armies trundle along from point A to point B at a leisurely pace. I only mention it because it’s not a well documented feature. It’s a toggle so pressing it again resets to default speed if watching armies march in slow motion is your thing!