The problem is the old GOP essentially doesn’t exist. It’s the Trump party now, and has been for quite a while.
Timex
2770
This is true, but I think that it’s feeding off the remains of the old GOP. There are people who are backing it just because of partisanship.
KevinC
2771
Yep, plus decades of propaganda that Democrats aren’t Americans with a different opinion, they’re freedom haters bent on destroying the country from within. If you’ve spent your life steeped in that vitriol, it’s pretty hard to pull the lever for the other side. I mean, Trump might be unethical, but liberals are un-American to the core.
Sadly, living where I do, I’ve had a front row seat as the poison has seeped in. My parents, former friends, colleagues, etc. It’s fucking awful.
Clay
2772
I think they would pull the lever for a more sane Conservative party, though. The question is whether the current GOP also would vilify that new Conservative party as much as they vilify the Dems.
KevinC
2773
Oh yes. If someone like Romney ran against him, they would line up. Don’t think there’s enough not-racist shitbags left in the party, though.
Clay
2774
Binders full of women is a selling point to the Trump base!
Timex
2775
The thing is, once the visage cracks, the transition to “Holy fuck the GOP is so incredibly evil” happens really damn fast. It did for me at least.
Oghier
2776
Ex-anythings tend to be the most vociferous in their opposition.
KevinC
2777
Binders full of women is so 2012, man. The new hotness is cages full of children!
People have been leaving the GOP with that realization for 30 years. The people who still haven’t gotten it are a tiny minority in the party now. It was Trump’s party long before Trump came along and made people acknowledge it.
[can one do strikethrough font here?] - thanks @KevinC!
Anyway - this should be good - sending Rudy on a mission abroad
Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said in an interview Thursday that he plans to travel to Ukraine to push the country’s leadership on several probes that may prove “very, very helpful” to President Trump, as Republicans continue looking to turn the tables on Democrats and prove that they – not the GOP – were the party that improperly conspired with foreign actors.
Ukrainian President-elect Volodymyr Zelensky, who takes office in June, will assume stewardship of two major ongoing investigations. One concerns evidence that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton campaign may have worked with Ukrainians to illegally help Clinton by revealing damaging information about then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
He’s on a mission from god.
KevinC
2781
Yes, use < s > stuff < /s >
There’s an argument for conservative values still out there. The Republican party, in its drive for power, has completely caved to the crazies, sadly. Now the crazies run the party.
The old school Republicans thought they could invite the crazies to the party and use them to win elections. What they didn’t anticipate was that the crazies wouldn’t be quiet rank-and-file party members but would instead want power within the party. And now they have it.
Timex
2783
I think a big part of it is that the modern GOP is just doing shit that they straight up opposed just 3 years ago.
It highlights that they don’t actually believe anything.
KevinC
2784
They believe in (white) power and self-aggrandizement.
KevinC
2785
So, had an off the cuff comment from a colleague today as we were discussing sensationalism of the media (social in particular). We weren’t speaking of politics, but he said something along the lines of “Yeah, it’s gotten absurd. Just the other day, that chairman of whichever committee it is? Going on about a ‘constitutional crisis’? My goodness. He makes it sounds like we’re dealing with this serious situation, these kinds of legal arguments with those politicians has been going on forever!”.
Just goes to show what a vastly different picture is painted depending on where we get our news/information from, and how that information is presented. For my part, I don’t understand how the Executive branch completely ignoring congressional oversight could be anything but.
It has been going on forever though. Sometimes just rhetoric, sometimes it’s the fall of the Republic.
I wonder if your colleague rolled his eyes at the nonsense about Obama taking over the country and turning it into a caliphate?
KevinC
2787
He did over the caliphate stuff, but Uranium One and other nonsense? Oh yeah, he was all over that.
The thing I find amusing is that back in the 90’s, he was disgusted with Democrats for not crossing the line to impeach Bill Clinton. He didn’t care about the blowjob, he cared that the President lied. It was a crime to do so, he had to go. Something tells me he’s not on the impeach bandwagon, though. :)
