Exactly - here’s what I posted earlier in the thread. Only change is that (IMHO) Barr is much, much closer to being impeached…


At this point, Impeachment is a duty which transcends the political calculus. However, the case needs to be built appropriately:

It doesn’t have to be immediate impeachment.

You start with internal evaluations of the 14 remaining cases in the appropriate committees. You move to public testimony from Mueller’s team, Barr, Sanders, Hicks and others involved.

You prepare for any Oliver North moments and be ready to fully and completely discredit them.

Then you move towards impeachment, perhaps of Barr and anyone involved in the 14 cases and obstruction and 2nd generation collusion/conspiracy who is still in the Administration and then you move towards Presidential Impeachment.

Get it out in the open and don’t let DoJ/Trump/Fox/etc. cover it up. Keep it in the public eye throughout 2019/2020. Make them publicly testify under oath about their lies, corruption and willingness to do anything for power. This will also impact the Senate in 2020 if the GOP is faced with overwhelming pubic outcry.

And if they are good enough to deny/deflect in the face of their duty and still get elected, well, it’s still good to have concrete evidence that that’s the world we live in and the rest of us can plan accordingly.

Allowing this to be brushed under the rug is the one thing which is unacceptable for any and all who believe in Constitutional government and a nation of laws which apply to all.

Wait, what’s the pitiful, faint, bleating sound I hear? Is that you, Lindsey? It’s so hard to hear you because your HEAD IS SO FAR UP TRUMP’S ASS!

WE ARE DOING NOTHING. NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. IT’S ALL JUST WORDS.

I’ve seen relentless, unrepentant criminals treated this way, Lindsey. Why do you think that is?

Just replace “leadership” with “someone to attack Iran” and you’ll understand where Lindsey is coming from.

He’s desperate for it.

So lay it out for us - how does impeachment now help? Let’s say the House moves immediately to begin impeachment. Tell us what happens, starting with now and moving all the way through November 2020.

I’m willing to be convinced, if you can make a good enough case for something positive happening.

IMO impeachment is a 2020 activity, just to keep reminding the electorate about what went down so they don’t forget by November. And to help make the case for handing the Senate to Dems, though that is of course a longshot.

Until then, it’s subpoenas, hearings, and lawsuits, knowing that Trump will only make things worse as he starts losing.

Ooh he’s “warning.”

I substituted “golfing” for “leadership” and it made more sense.

Okay, listen.

Somebody has been feeding a whole lot of people here a whole lot of fucking nonsense and horseshit. I’m not saying anybody here is the perpetrator, but whoever came up with the big fat stupid fucking idea that “the best move to make is no move at all” is a fucking shit stain looking out for nothing but party. FUCK THE OPTICS, this isn’t about getting the Democrats into office in 2020, and if you think it is you’re a stupid fucking idiot. This is about holding people accountable when they break the law.

I don’t vote down the party line as a rule, regardless of how my ballots might turn out come election time, thanks to Republicans being so vile administration after administration. My problem is here is that the Democrats are the ones that (continually) let them get away with this shit. I mean, fuck, the Democrats are their greatest fucking supporters in their illegal and immoral fucking endeavors, because all they fucking do is give them pass after fucking pass. And why do they do this? OPTICS.

FUCK THE OPTICS.

Was Pelosi elected to give Trump the rimjob while his party provides the blowjob? Because that’s what’s fucking happening right now. Her tongue is so far up his ass she can taste the KFC that motherfucker just had for lunch. From this day forward every single fucking day that Trump is in office is a day that the Democrats have awarded him. Every single stupid act he commits is one the Democrats gave him the power to commit. Every single stupid sentence he utters might as well have been provided by a fucking Democrat, and you know what? None of this shit makes him look anywhere near as bad as it does make the Democrats look completely fucking feckless.

Trump can’t look any worse than he already does, it doesn’t matter what he says, his ridiculousness is striving for an asymptotic threshold; it will just keep piling up, but it will never hit some magical moment where his supporters are just going to drop him. The only people that care how stupid he looks are the ones trying to convince you he’s a problem, WE KNOW HE’S A PROBLEM, NOBODY FUCKING CARES. For everybody else, what’s another stupid action? Just toss it on the pile, but the more there are, the less impact they make. We’re past the point of his bullshit actually mattering to people. Now there’s optics.

The worthless sacks of shit want to have you believe that we’re just giving Trump enough rope to hang himself and the rest of his party with, newsflash, there’s plenty of rope. Democrats don’t care.

The feckless shitstains on the left want to pretend that it would be mistake to cause an upset before an election, newflash, the elections never fucking stop.

The impotent asswipes wearing blue are so fucking busy putting party ahead of country, that they refuse to actually help this fucking country, because it’s their opinion that they themselves are the answer. HORSE SHIT. These sacks of shit aren’t the answer to anything, give them a tiny bit of power and they just piss it the fuck away. They’re always so fucking concerned about holding on to titles that they won’t actually take a risk and do their fucking job. Party over country, because all they give a shit about is 2020. Fuck 2020, how about the rule of fucking law?

How about Democrats stop exploiting their positions to simply further their own party and start trying to further our own country. I don’t need anybody telling me that they are the only thing that can save me, fuck that, prove it. We have laws, enforce them. Don’t put party first, put laws first. Put the constitution first. Put the people first.

We’ve got career politicians so pathetic, they’d have you believe that the best way to win is to just wait their turn. because that’s all they want to do, wait their turn. And if 2020 turns out not to be their turn? Oh that’s okay, 2024 isn’t that far away. Pelosi might only be 4000 fucking years old by then, but Liches never fucking die. Even if she isn’t there in body, she’ll be there in spirit, when the next strategic mastermind of the Democratic party meets a challenge and shits their fucking pants in front of the whole fucking country.

Enforce the fucking law. Stop getting so hung up about individual political issues, because that’s what people are so fucking blinded over. They can’t see the forest for the fucking trees. Guess what, when it comes to issues, we’re not always going to get what we want. If a party ends up putting some horrible policy into place, that sucks, but at least force them to do it with the knowledge that we’re* fucking watching them. Any scent of wrong doing and we’ll fucking pounce, and they will fucking pay. Political opponents need to know they must play by the rules, they must know that accountability comes in the form of a judge and jury.

(*And who is “we?” The American people and our elected officials. But right now our elected officials don’t fucking care. They’re just flailing around helplessly, pretending that they’re on top of things, pretending that actions will be taken if necessary, BUT IT’S ALREADY NECESSARY.)

I don’t want elections to be the only fucking tool we use to keep these fucking idiots in line, we have a Justice system for that. Put it to use. Stop pretending that the only reason WE WANT CORRUPTION IN THE WHITEHOUSE is because we’re playing “the long game.” Oh give me a fucking break, nonsense. Do you know what should frighten corrupt politicians more than losing an election? Fucking impeachment. Personal fucking penalties. Maybe even fucking prison. But they aren’t scared of that, they have no reason to be. Because if we keep leaving it up to the giant fucking pussies that will keep giving them pass after pass, while they simply 'wait their turn," then the actual bad guys will never have anything to ever fucking fear.

So let’s say we impeach, let’s say that actually leads to Trump being removed from office, and let’s say that Pence then takes over. He won’t be doing anything in the Whitehouse that any reasonable person would approve of, I know this. But he’ll know that in this country we actually hold politicians fucking accountable. Right now this is a lesson that Republicans need to fear. And right now this is a lesson that Democrats need to fucking teach. Stop worrying about the short term policy issues. Stop getting hung up on the politics and get behind the enforcement of our fucking laws. The sooner our politicians have an actual reason to fear being held accountable for their corruption, the sooner we can look forward to having politicians that represent the will of the people, even if some of those people don’t fucking agree with you about the way things should be done.

People like to talk playing the long game… but how about we focus on the will of the people for once, instead of each party working against the entire country just because the only goal in sight is the next fucking election year after fucking year.

Right now the biggest issue is people being all hung up on Trump the man, when they need to worry about position of The President of the United States and its role in our country and the world. Fucksticks like Pelosi and her apologists sure like to huff and puff about all the big trouble Trump will find himself in once he leaves office, by gum, but they’re 100% willing to sacrifice the position of the Office of the President in order to do it. To her and her ilk, it’s more about the man than the role, and all she gives a shit about it making sure the seat will some day be filled with her people. Fuck her, fuck them, and fuck the corrupt system that they’re enabling. For the last five months Democrats have been Trump’s enabler, and Pelosi is the one guaranteeing the entire fucking country continues to do so. So I’m sicking of hearing her stupid words repeated and defended.

Somebody’s got a case of the Mondays.

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So, when the Senate refuses to convict and Trump is found “innocent” in the eyes of the people, how does that help with your concerns about the role of the President?

I’m sorry, but Trump is dangerous and a likely traitor to this country. He needs to go. And wasting your shot at impeachment is just dumb. It’s not going to happen, and the fact that you’re raging at Pelosi for that instead of the Republicans and their enablers is something else.

We’re drowning at the bottom of a cesspool, looking up, and all we can see are the floating turds. But we shouldn’t allow them to keep us down for the fear that a few might stick to our clothes.

Trump needs to go, you could have just stopped there. The rest is self-defeating nonsense.

Yes, I am raging at Pelosi, because I demand better of her. You’d be a complete fucking fool not to hold her and her ilk to a higher fucking standard than the undeniable cancer known as the Republicans and their cohorts. Don’t believe for one second I’m any less angry at them than her and the current crop of Democrats. But the difference is that nobody is holding them accountable for anything, and I expect and demand that Democrats to do more than enable them.

If a person isn’t enraged at the Republicans they’re just as bad, and I hope their life is full of misery. If a person isn’t enraged at the Democrats they’re doing it wrong.

Demand more from “the good guys.”

As for your question about “what if…” Yea, what if? Who gave you the idea that the election is set is stone if Trump overcomes impeachment proceedings? They’ve got you on the fucking hook. We need to get started by doing the right thing, and stop worrying about the fucking optics.

I’m seeing a lot of angst, not much in the way of solutions or answers.

I’m seeing someone who is perfectly happy to sit there repeatedly listening to Limp Bizkit albums for the promise of a better song than the last one.

I think if you’re not willing to invite him to the Wolf’s Lair with your own bomb waiting, you might want to calm down a little.

That one is over my head, but I appreciate you telling me to calm the fuck down. Oh wait, no I don’t.