There wasn’t much of an electoral backlash at all. There was certainly a public opinion backlash, but I think it’s largely because the majority of the public saw it as the end result of a multi-year fruitless partisan witch hunt; and they saw it that way because it was. I don’t think the same view prevails wrt this case.

Any way, if the secret plan is really ‘ease into impeachment hearings sneakily’ then great. I’m just not convinced it is.

This, from Atrios, seems right to me.

I think Dem voters did hear the “wait for Mueller” message - Dem voters also like the impartial GOP Daddy referees deciding issues - and then came Mueller day. And when Mueller day arrived the Dems had some shiny new gavels in their possession. So, now, they want the Dems to follow the course set out by impartial GOP Daddy referee Mueller, as they were told they should. And Mueller says impeach the motherfucker.

And this is very, very, very good.

https://hmmdaily.com/2019/05/29/nobody-knows-whats-going-to-happen/

Trump has a Heavenly mandate. Bros don’t investigate bros.

For most of my life I’ve heard Republican lament that there was no way the Republicans would ever take back control of the House because of structural issues.

In truth control of the Senate flips back and further pretty often and overall the Democrats control the Senate 50 times vs the Republican 42.

The one constant in American politics is change.

Frankly, i think that pelosi is running a masterclass on this crap, and a lot of folks are just too naive to grasp what she’s doing. A lot of it has to do with exactly what you say here.

The worst outcome from an attempted impeachment of Trump would be for the public at large to feel that it was politically motivated. If that happens, then not only does it fail to remove Trump from office, but it implicitly invalidates all of the legitimate criticism of Trump’s administration for a seemingly endless parade of corruption. It would insulate him against such criticism, by allowing him to handwave everything away as partisan attacks against him.

Instead, what we are seeing is a seemingly reluctant Democratic party, who doesn’t actually WANT to impeach the president. You see them worrying, publicly, about the harm to the country such a thing involves.

But it’s clearly going in that direction… And it’s building, in the public eye. Slowly rolling into a crescendo, where impeachment is no longer a choice. It instead becomes a requirement. The Democrats are forced to take this path, because Trump’s actions and the evidence uncovered leaves them no other option.

This is, absolutely, the correct way forward.

It diffuses the inevitable attack from the GOP that the only basis for impeachment is partisanship, while simultaneously building support in the public for the impeachment. It even goes so far as to create a potential path for success in the Senate, because it will allow them to flip the argument and point out that the only reason the Senate would fail to convict is partisanship.

This is a tactically sound play. It makes sense. It has an actual chance of success. It improves their position, rather than degrading it.

And that’s how you win stuff. You don’t win by flailing around emotionally. You win by thinking things through, doing the work, and executing. And this is why someone like Pelosi is the right person to have in charge, rather than a bunch of freshmen who have no idea how to govern.

I mean…it sounds stupid even in my own head to say it, but dammit, if I can’t share my own stupid thoughts here, then what good is the internet anyway?

So anyway yeah: I keep thinking about The Ents in Two Towers. Like…they’re so damned slow…so when they do finally decide to do something, it feels like it has a lot more gravitas and portent behind it.

Right?

Now I’m gonna go relate to some other humans with indie rock and cat pictures. BBL.

They are slow to anger, but when the Ents go to war, they don’t fuck around.

I think you’re right.

There’s a lot of impatience over impeachment, sort of like how you might be impatient when watching a movie, the plot is starting to drag, and you start looking at your watch. But this isn’t a movie. We already know the ending: the Senate will vote to acquit in an obvious show of blind partisanship.

So the real question is, when do we want them to do this?

Right now, so everything can go back to normal in a few months? So other things will demand our attention during the height of election season? Maybe that way the campaign can be focused on our trade policy?

Or should we wait until next summer, so that the negative spotlight on Trump shines brightest right when he is trying hardest to rally supporters and raise funds? So that Trump himself is the campaign issue? And so that right after he is acquitted, Republicans are lulled into complacency and outraged Democrats rally behind a nominee?

I agree with you except for this part:

They will make that attack. After all, Robert Mueller is now an “Angry Democrat” even though he’s a lifelong Republican. Actually maybe your use of “diffuses” is correct – it won’t stop it, Fox News will be blasting it 24/7, echoed by Trump and the Russian bots on Facebook and Twitter – but maybe only 41% of the electorate will believe it instead of 42%.

They will make it, but it’s going to be diffused.

You can’t stop them from making the attack, but you can minimize the impact of that attack.

And remember… Republicans are only like 24% of the electorate. It’s the middle that matters in this case, and they aren’t all fox viewers.

And there has already been a spill-over effect on Fox. As the crescendo mounts, even they can’t sweep it under the rug or completely obfuscate it - they will lose viewers if they just dig in deeper and deeper in the face of a rising crescendo.

Fox wants to continue to make money even after Trump is gone, it’s not like the Rapture… (well, it goddamn better not be…)

Oo, oo, I want to play the stupid analogy game! I’ll do Calvin & Hobbes!!

Trump is Moe, the playground bully who taunts you relentlessly in the hopes you’ll come at him in anger and throw a punch.

Pelosi is Susie Derkins taking time each evening (after doing her homework) to organize a student protest meeting with Principal Spittle where everyone can bring the Moe problem to his attention and maybe get him expelled or held back a year or something.

Calvin and Hobbes are the media.

Ruben Bolling has been doing a C&H Trump analogy for a while, although his correlates are different. Calvin is Trump, and Hobbes is “John,” his imaginary publicist.

I don’t think it would be nearly as effective without them doing the part of the bad cop.


Title: The Shining

Because you didn’t vote for Hillary and stayed home.

Evidence the Pelosi approach is actually working:

If people like that actually start to use any sort of critical thinking and actually find out what the report says, it will shatter their opinion of Trump, because they will realize that they have been lied to.

But it’s going to be real hard for them to see that.