I don’t think logic applies to what the GOP would do. For instance, would McConnell have still held a vote for a Clinton Supreme Court nominee? Also, let’s assume the Russian interference came out anyway, but now the GOP believes that Clinton was the beneficiary. They and Fox News would have lost their shit.
This seems like a good idea: start an impeachment inquiry while making it explicit that you fully expect the GOP Senate to give Trump cover and that your goal is to force them to cast that vote.
MikeJ
3797
Seems relevant:
Mueller testified that the president was likely guilty of federal crimes, and the most important American media outlets reviewed his performance like a disappointing late-series episode of Game of Thrones . Mueller did not deliver The Payoff That Was Promised.
This part also aligns with what I’ve been thinking:
This is not to say this outcome is entirely the media’s fault. The Democrats’ fear of confrontation, whether through impeachment or through aggressive oversight, has communicated to the press that neither the party nor its constituents view any of Trump’s conduct—his embrace of foreign interference with American elections, his illegal hush-money payments to hide his extramarital affairs, his attempts to corrupt federal law enforcement, the coterie of crooks that surrounds him, the squalid camps at the border, the murderous extremists who act on his rhetoric, his rejection of multiracial democracy—as serious enough for genuine sanction or even committed opposition. Whether Democrats realize it or not, that public-facing weakness also affects how the press covers Trump, a feedback loop that makes it harder for them to act.
You are forgetting that he lied under oath in his written answers in an inquiry as to whether a foreign power attacked our elections and he covered it up.
I don’t know about you all, but I have zero faith in Pelosi anymore. Any small victories she had in the past were due to Republicans screwing themselves, not Democrats being masters of the scene. She will disenfranchise people who are tired of Democrats being meek talkers that don’t do shit.
Nesrie
3801
She knows what she is doing. She only controls one piece of the government, and the freshman can make as much noise as they want. That’s fine. Her responsibility is greater than that.
Don’t let the media Democrats in Dissarray crap fool you.
She controls half of Congress. The GOP holds the other half, in addition to the White House and the Supreme Court.
robc04
3803
I’m not going to pretend I know more about the situation than Pelosi. As much as I’d like to have the hammer come down on Trump, Barr, McConnell and the rest of the pieces of shit in the Republican party I gotta hope that her experience navigating this crap will take her on the path best in the long term.
CraigM
3804
Yeah, but that experience is in being deferential, unwilling to hammer the press, milquetoast start by proposing the compromise or most politically possible option and negotiate down from there, and generally unwilling to fight battles as they actually exist.
I.e. they are too willing to let themselves be run over.
KevinC
3805
I fully admit, I’ve gone back and forth with Pelosi. At the very start, I thought maybe it was time for some new blood, new energy. Then her experience in dealing with Trump started coming through, and I was glad she was speaker.
Now? Now I’m swinging back the other way. If she has some trick up her sleeve or plan that I’m unaware of, I’ll be happy to have my opinion swing back. Right now, though, I’m frustrated.
Looks like ‘soft impeachment’ is on.
The petition requests all the redacted Mueller Grand Jury material pursuant to an ‘investigation regarding impeachment’, because the committee is considering whether to ‘recommend articles of impeachment.’
Timex
3807
Dude, you understand that LESS THAN HALF of the Democrats in the house are in favor of impeachment at this point, right?
I mean… You want pelosi to vote to impeach Trump, AND THEN LOSE, even in the house?
How is that good?
vyshka
3808
Isn’t that what an impeachment inquiry is for? I’m a bit confused.
Yes, they’re basically arguing that they are already in an impeachment proceeding, and that the Court should order the redacted parts of the Mueller report released to them on that basis.
Dude, you understand that the reason some Dems in the House oppose impeachment is that Pelosi is whipping them to oppose it, right?
(Does ‘dude’ really enhance the effect of the argument?)
I also read that Pelosi approved the language.
