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Biden is still at the front of the pack. There is no real reason to think his campaign is failing. Hell Bernie and the others are barely even in the news.

I question the analysis that says Warren is moving forward therefore Biden is tanking… when even in the scenario described that makes him No. 2.

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Nixon would’ve been, and would’ve been found guilty and resigned. He was a lame duck.

Clinton was a lame duck for the entirety of his impeachment inquiry and trial.

Never mind: I see the issue. I’m on mobile and using lame duck to = 2nd term president. My bad!

Which, pedantry aside, the original points stands.

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It’s ironic how Trump is shoring up Biden’s campaign by keeping him in the news.

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I’m sorry. Many of us, including many congressional leaders on the Democratic side, as well as op-ed columnists, journalists, etc.

An impeachable act last week would still be an impeachable act this week, even if something more impeachable came along in the meantime, so I don’t like how it looks for it to just be discarded by those (and I repeat there are many, do you really want me to dig up citations?) who claimed for months the previous acts were sufficient. I just like a little intellectual consistency, which probably dooms me to be a sad panda in all things political.

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That’s basically “Boom.”

Buckle up kids. Here we go. I sincerely hope that this goes well. It’s warranted entirely, and as Gordon points out, there are other points it could be warranted on too.

But I do hope this doesn’t end up as a big chapter in history books entitled: “Be careful what you wish for.”

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So how long before we get the Trump version of the Flight to Varennes Mar a Lago

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Meanwhile on FOX.

Wait.

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The most irritating thing is that Mueller wasn’t prevented from saying that at all. He just decided it wouldn’t be fair to say it about someone who would not be able to dispute it in court.

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I know, right? This is the warmest I’ve felt about Biden since he was the vice-president.

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One thing that’s interesting to me about Pelosi finally coming to the light on this.

She’s such a politically calculating person, that it makes me think that they’ve done some kind of internal polling, or have seen someone’s polling numbers on this. And they think they can win this in public opinion.

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Which I understand the reasoning. And in a system where both political parties broadly respected and abided by constitutional rules and norms, that would be OK.

But the mafia don’t give a fuck.

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I know. It’s so frustrating trump is incredibly dirty and we are barely doing anything but talk. He could kill someone himself, claim it was a national security issue, and we’d still be here.

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Pretty sure that at some point in this thread, i said that pelosi was going to take her time, and when she finally dropped the hammer, she’d be able to say, “we really didn’t want to do this, but now we are forced to.”

And i said then, it’d make her hand a lot stronger in the public eye.

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Donald Trump entered the White House uniquely vulnerable to impeachment, the owner of an opaque web of private companies who obtained the office through criminal and corrupt means. Over the next two and a half years he piled increasingly brazen offenses on to that bill of particulars, emboldened at each juncture by Congresses—one Republican, one Democrat—that were determined for different reasons not to set an impeachment process in motion.

In the days after Special Counsel Robert Mueller produced a report showing Trump encouraged and expected to benefit from a foreign attack on the 2016 election, then abused his powers of office to obstruct the ensuing investigation, one of the few Democrats who recognized that taking impeachment off the table would create an unacceptable level of moral hazard was Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA). She warned, “If Donald Trump can do all that he tried to do to impede an investigation into his own wrongdoing and an attack by a foreign government,” and Congress takes no action, “then it gives license to the next president, and the next president, and the next president to do the same thing.”

The only thing her analysis missed is that Congress’s inaction also gave Donald Trump license to commit the same crimes all over again, this time with the awesome powers of the presidency at his fingertips.

And that is exactly what happened.

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Buchanan was a 1st term president, but had campaigned on a commitment to not seek a 2nd term, which didn’t stop his presidency from being a mire of corruption and scandal. Johnson didn’t serve even a single full term and actually sought the Democratic nomination in 1868 after his impeachment, but lost it to Seymour.

Regardless, it has almost never happened. I totally respect your political acumen, but I think it’s hard to make political predictions about how an impeachment inquiry will play out, because they’ve been so rare.

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