RichVR
4982
You have given me some things to consider. I appreciate your reply. I must think about it. Thank you.
Timex
4983
I might go further and point to theologians like Thomas Aquinas, who melded religion with philosophy, and made it more than pure dogmatic zealotry.
Sharpe
4984
Perhaps we need a thread for the discussion of the intersection of science/religion/philosophy, b/c it is a deep and fascinating topic.
Personally as someone who was raised in an extremist/fundamentalist household (Jehovah’s Witnesses, with a mother, who has believed Armageddon is “just around the corner” for her entire 87 years of life, without result, and who feels that just means “it’s 87 years closer”) and now considers himself a devotee (or at least aspirant) to critical thinking and a scientific worldview, I’ve always found Stephen J. Gould’s formulation of the “Non-Overlapping Magisteria” to be a very useful framework.
In more practical terms, I feel like religion can be a huge comfort to people individually and can help many internally/spiritually but that it needs to be strictly separate from politics, especially politics that impinge on people who don’t share those religious beliefs.
KevinC
4986
Hah, yep. Pretty much sums it up.
I must be in the minority here, my 89-year-old mother hates Trump with a holy passion…
My mom (also in her 80’s) hates him too.
(I just found out today she didn’t like Reagan, either. I never knew that - "he’s an actor, why is he President? lol.)
As does my 88-year-old father.
Ditto.
How I wish I could say ditto.
My parents are long gone but my former in-laws have that strange dichotomy going where the female was a Bernie supporter and the male is all in on Fox News and the Trump Train.
The lack of questioning among the hardcore Trump supporters is strange to me. How can you not question? I was an Obama fan but I never took everything he said as Holy Writ.
The really old I think remember fascists and FDR, which is why that crowd tends to skew left. It’s the folks who forgot the lessons of WWII who tend to be more fascist.
Especially considering Trump is a fucking Nationalist.
My families memory sucks balls. They already forgot about 2008 and how much it sucked ass. I even loaned money to them.
Canuck
4994
The joke’s on them. They both come from Russia.
The exact same thing was seen in the Brexit vote - the oldest group were heavily Remain, no doubt as they fought/endured WW2 and knew why the EU existed.
The usual reminder that I am profoundly lucky to have parents that regularly look at the rest of their generation and exclaim “what happened to you people?”
ZeTh1
4997
What happened is exactly what they condemn in the next generations: they are butthurt snowflakes who had it too easy.
ShivaX
4998
Pretty much. Their parents made sure things were better and rather than continue that, they decided to make everything worse for everyone after them for a marginal at best gain to themselves. They remember it being rough in some cases, but their solution isn’t “let’s never have that happen again” it’s “everyone should suffer as I have”.
They also don’t believe that things have changed. My step-father honestly believed you could go to work at an entry level position and work your way up to running the place with a high school diploma. In 2009.
So many of them just opposed if not outright repealed stuff they had. Minimum wage? Never raise it. Hell, we shouldn’t have it. Nevermind that you lived on it for nearly a decade. It’s like the famous Craig Neslon moment writ large across the better part of a generation:
Judge Sullivan wants to hear arguments in the Flynn case and seems to be inviting third parties to make arguments on behalf of denying the motion to dismiss the charges.
Just wanted to agree that this was an important piece, revealing just how garbage Barr’s actions have been.
