Timex
1729
Republicans who have ethics aren’t real Republicans!
I thought it was to see the effects of Russia in the 2016 elections, and not specifically the actions of the Trump campaign.
robc04
1732
Cool! Thanks for pointing it out!
I like to lurk in this thread and read, but being able to filter out the crap is appreciated.
Malathor seems to have mistaken this thread for the one where we marvel at the unmitigated stupidity of Trump’s tweets.
By the way, do people even know what collusion means? Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russians. Period. End of sentence. Do not pass go. That is a simple fact. That Mueller is leaving open whether that can be tied to Trump personally is about as far from “no collusion” as you can get. Why is this inane “no collusion” narrative taking off?
Oh, right, because Trump supporters are loud and unconcerned with whether something is true.
-Tom
You’d better tell Mueller that pronto, since he doesn’t agree. As the summary directly quoting the report states:
“As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.””
Mueller would have said something if that were a mischaracterization.
Go read it yourself.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706351394/read-the-justice-departments-summary-of-the-mueller-report
Quoting for the reading impaired.
The Mueller report? Okay. Where is that posted?
-Tom
It was a direct quote from the Mueller report.
So I guess I have my answer.
-Tom
If it does not mean conspiring or coordinating, then it has exactly zero legal significance.
Once again, for the slow, the footnote to Barr’s letter:
In assessing potential conspiracy charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether members of the Trump campaign “coordinated” with Russian election interference activities. The Special Counsel defined “coordination” as an “agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”
Mueller’s investigation by design could only have decided there was a conspiracy if it had found evidence of an agreement between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. So evidence of collusion — even conspiracy — with other actors (Russian oligarchs, Russian cutouts, and WikiLeaks) didn’t count. And the report will certainly contain such evidence, since it has already been revealed in court filings.
Timex
1740
Yeah, we’ve actually covered this multiple times.
We know, with 100% certainty, that Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russians.
We’ve known this for over a year.
Trump Jr tweeted his email where he was excited about his collusion with Russia.
Don
Hope all is well
Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
I believe you are aware of the meeting - and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?
I assume it would be at your office.
Best
Rob Goldstone
How about 3 at our offices? Thanks rob appreciate you helping set it up.
D
schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney
about this Hillary info
schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney
about this Hillary info
Malathor you’re a fraud
But… I guess there’s no way to tie Donald Trump Jr to President Donald Trump.
Timex
1742
The bigger example is when Manafort, during the campaign, gave private polling data to the Russians.
You know Trump is such a lazy fuck I can almost believe him when he said he had no idea what Manafort was up to. He doesn’t even know what’s going on day to day as president. He skips briefings, wings it in summits and conversations, just watches TV and eats fast food. I’m sure he just sat back and let Manafort do whatever.
But no way he didn’t know what Jr was doing, considering how badly Jr wants daddy’s approval.
Timex
1744
Even if you want to believe the myth that Trump had no idea that seemingly every member of his entire campaign was dealing with the Russians, it’s immaterial.
Manafort was running Trump’s campaign, and at that time he provided private polling data to the Russians. This isn’t something which can be handwaved away like “Oh, Trump Jr. just wanted to have tea with them, because reasons,” no matter how stupid that handwaving is. It was polling data. It was directly related to the election. Manafort gave it to the Russians so that they could assist his campaign by leveraging their assets to manipulate key parts of the electorate. Thus, Trump’s campaign directly colluded with the Russians.
Here’s some stuff regarding this, for those interested.
This is a thing which happened. Saying “No collusion!” is simply factually incorrect at this point. It’s something that mindless imbeciles parrot because they are either intellectually dishonest and want (inexplicably) to defend such actions, or because they are such idiots that they’ll believe literally anything Trump tells them, even when it’s directly at odds with observable reality.
On some level, it doesn’t really matter which it is.
I think the key word there was government. I don’t think that it was so much that they couldn’t tie members of the campaign to Russian interests, but that they couldn’t tie those interests directly to the government beyond the everyday “this guy is one of Putin’s Oligarchs” coordination.
Yes, that’s what I mean. For whatever reason, Mueller’s inquiry was focused on an agreement with the government, and in the absence of evidence of an agreement with the government, he declined to draw a conclusion about it.
I’m not at all certain the inquiry was focused entirely on that, but Barr’s letter (and presumably Mueller’s summary) certainly was. This may be why there are mixed signals on the report (like the president not being exonerated).
Maybe it is all nothing. Or maybe they did it this way so that republicans didn’t scream about the special counsel overreaching in drawing conclusions outside of its purview. We know that Mueller has handed over certain things to other districts. While there may not be additional indictments under seal, that doesn’t mean there aren’t more forthcoming.
MikeJ
1748
What would Mueller have done in the likely case that establishing those links on the Russian side required classified CIA information and sources?
