Lantz
2993
They were all leaving in the next week or two anyways with the new administration coming in so all the people leaving aren’t actually doing anything different than they would have anyways.
This is the only realistic way I can see to get rid of Trump before the inauguration. It’s not great, but I’d take it compared to the realistic alternatives. The GOP and his cabinet are too chickenshit to impeach or 25th.
This, on the other hand, is what I think will happen, likely after a bunch of other bad shit.
You’d have to change the constitution, and while you’re doing that, we could do something about guns and the EC and a million other things.
Which is why it will never happen
I’d say that’s correct based on any reasonable understanding of the president’s past behavior.
There’s video of the woman getting shot.
This would make me far angrier than simply waiting for the clock to run out. Dems should not want that sort of a deal. They should actively oppose it.
$10 to the charity of your choice for anyone who actually wants to bet against me here (which should be no one):
No one in the Trump family faces repercussions, legal or otherwise, for their actions, that aren’t immediately undone by a pardon, and they lives out the remainder of their days without the slightest bit of punishment for what they’ve done.
Thrag
3002
Came across this while schudenbrowsing this morning.
Man, a rusty sheave in the back sounds way worse than a shiv. I mean it’s going to take a lot more effort to stab somebody with a blunt item like a sheave, and that’s assuming it’s not still attached to something. And we are going hook first, or last, or sideways?
Question: are there rules for what votes are secret and not in the senate? Because if/when the house passes the second impeachment, what’s to stop Chuck Shumer from going to the republicans and saying “Listen - four years is a long time. Why don’t ya’ll have a good long think about whether you want Trump legally barred from running again in 2024. Nobody needs to know.”
Still a strong argument either way, but not having anyone know unless everyone votes for it is an extra spicy coward’s prisoner’s dilemma.
Thrag
3004
“… and we will deserve it”
I wouldn’t take that bet.
Plus all of the enablers have soft landings in media, politics, or consulting gigs. Hope Hicks for example.
Well, who knows what was stolen? But on the whole, I think no significant number of foreign actors were embedded here, because who would have believed that Capitol security would be so poor? As has been exhaustively documented, “everyone” knew that violent demonstrations were planned, the natural expectation would have been to assume security would be high.
Edit: Ah, see others already posted the same.
newbrof
3008
so all that needs to be done is wait and finally shit on their grave? Is there a meetup group for the great shitting?
This framing is a negotiation between McConnel and Trump. The Democrats don’t win here, nor does the country.
The only upside I would see is that Trump would be removed and wouldn’t get to pardon his lackies or the insurrectionists. At least a thorough prosecution of Rudy and the others might make enablers think twice before supporting the next authoritarian.
I was initially going to bet “no one in the entire administration faces consequences that aren’t undone by pardon,” but I couldn’t be fucked to remember if Trump has pardoned the “he just gets us coffee” guy or not.
There are no secret votes in the Senate. Or the House, for that matter.
There are at least 8 videos that I’ve seen so far. One was posted in the 6th post of this thread at one point, but I deleted it out of discretion and respect.
