Lantz
3702
100% agree. My point is that initial charges are the top of the iceberg for most people getting charged now.
Of course you don’t deploy forces to the battlefield unless you know they will be on your side. Duh.
I have been thinking about the pardons, and I can’t see Trump doing that. There’s nothing in it for him. It could potentially effect his own legal exposure for sedition, if only because it shows a complete lack of remorse.
Also, they failed. They failed and they made him look bad in the process. Regardless of their past loyalty, do we think Trump will look kindly on someone who failed and made his life harder?
Nesrie
3706
Well a bunch of armed men and women, most of them white, storm the Capitol with the plans that include up to murder, and when they are done… they just go home. Why wouldn’t there still be a problem?
In other news, the sky is blue.
kerzain
3707
Menzo
3708
The prosecution would like to submit this as Exhibit A, your honor:
From the statement of facts supporting his arrest:
“On January 7, 2021, CHANSLEY called in to the Washington Field Office of the FBI, to voluntarily speak with law enforcement. Your affiant and an FBI agent spoke on the phone with CHANSLEY, who confirmed that he was the male in the face paint and headdress in the Vice President’s chair in the Senate. CHANSLEY stated that he came as a part of a group effort, with other “patriots” from Arizona, at the request of the President that all ‘patriots’ come to D.C. on January 6, 2021.”
None
3709
Haha, that’s the Qbacca motherfucker, right?
Logically you make an excellent case, it wouldn’t be in Trump’s self interest to pardon them.
The counterargument, I present the last 4+ years of Donald Trump’s behavior.
Menzo
3711
Yes, bear head guy. So they’ve arrested him, podium guy, and guy with his feet up on the desk.
Trump wasn’t the only speaker at that little “Have fun storming the castle” rally. I assume Giuliani and some of the others are going to face some charges, too, eventually. Rudy going to prison would be… oh, man. I mean, that perpwalk would be my screensaver. I haven’t used a screensaver in 10 years.
Menzo
3713
I think you’re right, but I also think the majority of the people arrested for walking into the Capitol building will be let off pretty easy. If they plead guilty they’ll get a fine and probation.
I think the DOJ/FBI will focus on the most visible participants and the ones who they can charge with several felonies, like carrying weapons, intent to harm, etc.
That white 68-year-old grandma who followed the crowd into the building isn’t going to get jail time.
“Political Charlottesville”, or as I posted the other day, Greg Stillson holding up the baby. Same difference. He’s finished. (he could still kill us all in the next week, though)
I agree. I can also see them especially focusing on those who seem to have influence and sway. Like…I wouldn’t want to be the Proud Boys dude from Hawaii, perhaps.
And sadly it seems it maybe did help stop the 25th being enacted. Trump of course despite that already regrets doing the video because it didn’t play well to his cult.
Menzo
3717
Welp, there goes another one. Cast out by the MAGA mob.
Nesrie
3718
Oh good, Biden is supposed to heal all the wounds now. Now that there might be consequences, nope, oh, hugs everyone. Hugs and love and Jesus and let’s just forget about the whole last few years and all the black lives were lost and that failed coup. We must not let the Democrats be responsible for the division now.
From that Vanity Fair article linked in the post above:
According to one Republican briefed on internal conversations, Trump was swayed in part by Senator Lindsey Graham. The source said Graham called Trump yesterday and explained that there were enough Republican votes in the Senate to remove Trump from office unless he conceded the election and diffused tensions. “He told Trump that he had to say there would be a ‘peaceful transition.’ Those were the key words,” the Republican said. (In the video Trump said: “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power.”)
With Republicans threatening to break completely from the president, Trump is at the most isolated, and potentially dangerous, point of his presidency. He’s even turned on his closest media ally. According to two Republicans, Trump lashed out at Newsmax CEO Chris Ruddy during confrontations at Mar-a-Lago over the Christmas holiday. The Republican sources said Trump was furious with Ruddy because Newsmax started referring to Biden as president-elect on December 14, even as the network continued to amplify Trump’s election-fraud conspiracies. “Trump went up to Ruddy at the golf club and said, ‘You’re weak-kneed!’” one of the sources said. Trump threatened that he could take away Newsmax’s audience with a tweet. “I could move your audience in a heartbeat,” Trump told Ruddy, according to the source.
In private Ruddy has been trying to talk Trump off the ledge. According to a source, the Newsmax chief told Trump around Thanksgiving that he could concede the election while still maintaining there were voting irregularities. Ruddy compared it to a court case where a person can disagree with a judge’s ruling while still accepting the outcome. Trump dismissed the idea. “If you concede then you’re admitting you didn’t believe they stole the election!” Trump said, according to the source. Ruddy declined to comment on private discussions, but told me that while Trump “isn’t always happy with my take on things, he knows I am acting out of goodwill towards him.”
Dejin
3720
[Edit] Here’s the full results:
kerzain
3721
I wish these idiots would stop saying this destroyed Trump’s legacy. It didn’t destroy his legacy. This mess falls right in line with his legacy, and only cements it. It’s the most predictable ending to all 4 seasons of the worst reality show ever.
