Yglesias wrote a pretty good post on the whole situation this morning that is, unfortunately, paywalled. I’ll try to excerpt some of it:

The mirage of impeachment

To try to leverage a violent mob’s physical assault on the United States Congress into reversing the outcome of the presidential election is pretty much the most impeachable offense that I can imagine. And on paper what’s supposed to happen is the House votes on articles of impeachment and then the senate holds a trial.

But the constitutional bar for removal is very high — 67 senators.

How high a bar is that? Well in an election where Trump lost the national popular vote by 4 points, there are 23 states with 46 senators representing states that he safely won by five points or more. And it’s made particularly difficult because it’s a collective action problem. Even if, I dunno, Jerry Moran were to prefer that Trump be removed he’d still be better off with someone else being the guy who does the removing. Doing the right thing to save the Republic would be an excellent idea. But you need something like a dozen true statesmen among the Senate GOP caucus to make that plausible, and I don’t think there are a dozen. To remove Trump is just very very hard.

So while I think it’s easy to say “the solution to an unfit president is removal not for the military to go rogue” that’s a bit of an unrealistic view of the situation facing Joint Chiefs Chair Mark Milley and the rest of the top brass.

After all, suppose they’d gotten on the phone to Mitch McConnell and said “Sorry, Senator, the only way we can send in the national guard and save you from a rampaging mob is for you to swiftly vote to remove Trump from office first.” Even if that had worked (which seems implausible) it would not exactly have been a triumph of civil/military relations for the Joint Chiefs to order the Senate to impeach the President. The military, to its credit, is trying to preserve the forms of constitutional government, even while violating its substance, because all the alternatives are worse.

Pelosi’s choice

The argument that Pelosi should go along with the charade rather than signaling that she’s confident the military will do the right thing has some merit to it.

But just as senate Republicans are politicians who need to navigate their constituents’ views, so is Nancy Pelosi. She leads the House Democratic caucus and her members want to know what she’s doing about the fact that the President’s long-visible unfitness is now provoking acute crisis in the final weeks of his administration. And those caucus members are answerable to rank-and-file voters who are understandably disturbed about what they saw on Thursday and wondering what else might happen.

Perhaps she should be rushing faster with impeachment. But even if she did that, speedy removal would not be the outcome.

Signaling to the military that congressional leaders would prefer that they take their cues from Pence rather than Trump is not an option available to the Speaker under the text of the US Constitution. But it is clearly a thing that she as a human being is able to do. To do it, and then to reassure the public that it has been done, thus calming the situation, strikes me as a responsible course of action.

The constitutional process of impeachment remains an important part of this. Not in my view because it stands any reasonable odds of leading to Trump’s removal. But both as a statement of principle by the House, and also as a warning to Trump that if he takes further flagrantly inappropriate steps such as pardoning the rioters that he will be removed.

It’s a bad system

All that being said, while I defend everyone’s decision to work outside the constitutional process I also don’t think we should muffle what the critics are saying.

To look at this situation and conclude that “the system worked” would be a huge mistake. What happened is that the system did not work, and several actors in key positions inside the system simply chose to disregard it.

Censure and removal from office…for an aye vote on the house floor.

That is gonna get a big ol’ nope from me.

Again, if it’s a bad statute – and it has shown to have some issues! – let’s fix it.

But I am super-duper not cool with sanctioning members of the House for taking an aye vote.

Yeah, I love this.

“I have the right…”
“GET OFF THE PLANE!”

Hasn’t she only held her seat for like, 8 days?
This move is entirely performative, and guaranteed to fail.

I feel like a big problem is both parties are sending people to congress who have no idea how anything fucking works.

So perhaps not moral outrage after all.

I like Cori Bush in general. I thought she ran a fine campaign. Glad she’s a member of the House.

I just feel like this is not a great thing.

If the way you vote on the House floor on a single item is going to lead to you being censured or an expulsion vote from the House…then maybe address the statute that creates that potential occurrence.

If the ‘Actings’ can’t vote, that’s fine. That means they only need to get the vote of those that remain, right?

I guess the idea is that there should be some kind of cost for their actions. I can agree with that, but I don’t know what we can do besides vote them out when they are up for re-election. By then this will have been forgotten.

I suppose. I don’t know that it’s true that actings don’t vote. May or may not be. This doesn’t come up very often.

One thing about the 25th is that, since it’s never been invoked before, any attempt to do so would surely result in a lawsuit to clarify how it works.

I agree that a vote should not be cause for censure.

But the legislators involved did more than vote, they initiated a frivolous objection that slowed down the joint session. If a legislator repeatedly abused the rules of procedure, e.g. constantly filing amendments declaring that the Dallas Cowboys rule, could they be censured? I have no idea.

And yes, it does occur to me that the filibuster can be seen as an abuse of procedure, and it’s widely tolerated. On the other hand, it also occurs to me that a single Senator could permanently shut down Congress by refusing every unanimous consent. Wouldn’t that sort of abuse be grounds for censure?

Poor Pence is stuck in the middle AGAIN!

The General Hammond lookalike with the zip ties was ID’d by his ex wife.

I bet she enjoyed that. :)

This is the argument for why e.g.Trump firing Comey was fine; that he has the authority to do it, so it can’t be wrongdoing. It’s the argument for why Trump withholding security aid to Ukraine as leverage to get them to produce dirt on Hunter Biden is fine; that he has the discretion to withhold security aid. I don’t think X has the power to do Y excuses all exercises of that power.

Sure there will. We aren’t talkative about ending ability to challenge the electoral count. We are talking about sanctioning people who abuse that power, as we world any person in power who abuses an otherwise legal power.

I think if you have House members outside the House floor actively fomenting insurrection and lying about election processes and results and undermining the confidence in the conduct of our elections in their capacity has House members outside the chamber, on TV and in interviews…that’s something else. Do that, and if the House wants to censure or expel you, that seems perfectly fine to me.

You have more optimism than I do. I can see the GOP using it in the future to remove anyone from office they don’t like that raises legitimate challenges. Because in the eyes of the GOP, anyone that disagrees is abusing their power.

I mean, were there any among the 130 House members who weren’t doing that? I assume none of them made their aye vote without some kind of documentation as to why.

All politics is performance. An impeachment vote in the House will be performative as well. The vote against certification itself was performance.

And I guess I’m willing to cut some slack for someone who had to shelter-in-place from an armed mob on the third day of their new job.

I disagree.

The firing of Comey comes with a built-in check: it can lead to investigation and even impeachment for wrongdoing.

The casting of a vote on the House floor comes with a built-in check: if your constituents don’t like the vote you cast they can vote you out of office.