Clay
5348
Apropos are conditions in the Norwegian prison system, which is well-known to have a low reoffender rate. There are a lot of articles about it.
Timex
5349
This is fair, although I would point out that we all actually saw this guy do the crimes. Like, I know with 100% certainty that he committed crimes. I literally saw him commit them.
Not giving you anything you want is not dehumanizing.
I agree. I didn’t want to go at first, then we decided to go at the last minute. It is really overwhelming, and it is overwhelming without anyone trying to sensationalize it. The badness is self-evident in the historical remains of the place. It is not a place where I wanted to take pictures so I could remember it or show other people I was there. The idea of that felt to me like a desecration.
KevinC
5351
Man… I’m not sure I could handle Auschwitz. I just feel like that would be very bad for my mental health and put me in a dark place for a long time. I have a hard time not keeping things like that in the fore of my mind. Kudos to you all who were able to make the trip. Thankfully at least I’m a fascist type who really needs the visit to get a reality check, I guess.
Clay
5352
I visited alone in late January of… 1995, I believe. It was freezing – probably around 0°F – and pelting little ice balls. Maybe too cold to snow? The main museum was horrifying and sobering. Then I went to 75 hectare Birkenau and was the only person there. The walk back from the main gate to the memorial was just brutal in the weather. It was difficult to even imagine people trying to eek out survival in the small cabins they had.
Lantz
5353
I thought I had mentally prepared myself for it but it’s something that just can’t be imagined. I think that the horrors of mass murder tend to end up being somewhat rationalized away because even if you academically believe it, it is hard to really internalize how terrible reality can be. Standing there and seeing it in person shattered a lot of mental blocks I had around really comprehending it that I didn’t realize I had.
Vesper
5354
I’ve only visited Dachau that wasn’t an extermination camp and that was bad enough. I will never forget seeing the prisoners’ living conditions (beds with no room to sit up, packed like sardines, etc.) Still, I think it’s important that anyone who has the means should visit a concentration camp someday. Visiting a place like this will leave a long lasting impact on you of “this can never happen again.”
Petey
5355
Yea. I was in Dauchau in 2000 with my ex. It was definitely eerie and troubling to be in that place and kind of feel the sense of dread…horrifying for sure.
Matt_W
5356
I visited ESMA in Buenos Aires, where a few thousand folks were tortured and disappeared. We didn’t even visit the dormitories and it was sobering–just the institutionalizing of it and its location right in the middle of the city was horrifying.
Our experience was similarly, we were almost the only people at Birkenau. I remember how close it was to the historic town, and how, walking up the lane to the entrance of the camp, you were basically walking along the railroad siding they built to bring people in, and realizing that it was impossible to ever believe that the local people didn’t know that camp was there, or what it was for. Our guide told us that only foreigners came to the place; by and large, Polish people don’t want to remember it.
Dachau in 2018; air was incredibly thick - no punches pulled. What also struck me were the various religious sites built over the place where something terrible had happened. One of the more emotional experiences I’ve had.
Thrag
5359
Another profile in insurrection.
More recently, Southard used her powerful soprano to scream at police officers that they should “tell f–king Pelosi we’re coming for her! F–king traitorous c–ts, we’re coming! We’re coming for all of you!” She was part of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
And when one protester tells the crowd that the police might let them by if they agree to be peaceful and quiet, Southard, holding the wooden pole attached to an American flag flat against an officer’s torso, yells: “Bulls–t! They’re going to feel us!”
Thank God they’re all such idiots. I cannot imagine what would’ve happened if they were smarter about their rioting.
Coincidentally, I have been thankful that Trump is a moron in most ways and hires nothing but like minded people, who are also invariably morons, to do his dirty work. Intelligent, industrious type fascists would’ve done a LOT more damage.
Menzo
5361
OK, here’s actual confirmation that some folks were put on a no-fly list by an airline:
Nesrie
5362
These people keep saying over and over and over again that they’re Americans and what, the people they sneered at when they protested, when they kneeled, the people who they went out there to hurt and kill and the people’s ballots they didn’t give a shit about, we’re not.
Throw the book at them. Maybe after they recover from being slammed by that, they’ll realize they just got snagged up in a whirlwind that is our messed up judicial system and finally care… even with their organic meals made for them.
Also went to Dachau in the late 80s
It’s good to see people face consequences when they behave like that out in public (or anywhere).
But not by TSA, and not for rioting at the Capitol.
At any rate, Hoaxeye and PicPedant have traced almost all of the videos (and by that, every video that’s been sent their way, they’ve debunked; there may be more out there) that purported to show people being denied travel or arrested and determined that none are of recent enough vintage to depict travelers from the Capitol riot.
Thrag
5366
Guy who threw the fire extinguisher at officers has been arrested.
