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I think that there’s a common mistake to assume that people who believe crazy things are mentally ill. In this case a lot of self centered assholes believe the lies because the lies tell them that they are special. That they are the ‘real’ Americans. That their culture is the best one. They don’t believe these lies because they have a mental illness, they believe these lies because they care only about themselves and are happy to live in a world of lies as long as it’s their lies.

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A 100% reasonable take for these cowards.

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Hunh, weird. I swear I heard a couple dozen Congresspeople saying that Trump’s words weren’t responsible for the invasion of the Capitol?

Or to put it another way, Trump has been underbussed by a face-painted horn-wearing organic-food eating terrorist.

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Little known fact: Q Shaman is antifa.

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That’s where the swears came in. It’s like the most predictable pattern we have. Someone, white group or person, commits a clear crime, like something so obvious that even the other pattern of wait, there must be more to the story, couldn’t possibly work so we go to step No.2 oh, but oh they must be mentally ill… like clockwork.

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Well, the jury is still out among some at least.

If you think mentally ill should or should not be coddled, that is your issue. Like I said, many of the rioters/Trumpists still function well, maybe well enough to serve time. Plenty of people (especially minorities) end up incarcerated for much more minor things–including being ill. These rioters may in fact be coddled, but it’s not for being ill but despite it.

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There is no reason to believe that these people are mentally ill, and I am sick and tired of watching white people parade a line of predictable excuses out every time crimes are committed by a white person, and it sure as hell is not something the same people ever bother to do for people of different colors.

You’re being a jerk trying to twist my words to justify your ready made excuses.

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I get that the mob on Jan 6 got everyone rattled, but I really hope the security forces are not turning all their attention to crowd control in the coming days. It would surprise me a lot if there is another demonstration that goes the same way as the Pence insurrection attempt. I’d be much more worried about lone or small group domestic terrorists carrying out Breivik-like attacks on high-profile Democratic targets or events. Given how deranged (i.e., brainwashed) some of these people are, who knows what some of them might resort to when their world comes crashing down around them?

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My dad in Australia literally said this to me yesterday. Rather, “he has heard things” and that he isn’t definitely saying it is so, but rather there’s no proof either way. This type of propaganda is so infuriating to fight.

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Isn’t that like the worst way to pay somebody b/c the blockchain will hold the transaction history? @JoshL is the expert here.

Anyhow…

I kind of wish they had waited to charge them all until after the inauguration.

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Weimer did not detail a specific plan by Brock but noted “his prior experience and training make him all the more dangerous.”

He also read in court social media posts from Brock, including one posted on the day of the Capitol riot that said: “Patriots on the Capitol. Patriots storming. Men with guns need to shoot their way in.”

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I’m sorry. My point is that just because people like Trump or whoever are using mental illness as an excuse (and they definitely are, to shift attention away from gun control for instance) doesn’t mean it isn’t actually true. More importantly, these people are also violent. That’s one reason why they’re dangerous. And I’m not talking about all of them, but higher than the national average. A lot.

I said this. Plenty of non-Whites suffer from mental illness, and most/many are non-violent yet end up incarcerated anyway. Or end up incarcerated (or murdered) for some other minor bullshit. This is a fact.

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Oh sure. You said that here in this topic, the one that covers hundreds maybe thousands of… white people. Based on pretty much nothing other than Trump’s personality seems crazy, people are saying crazy things and there are handful of backseat articles making broad statements about groups of people instead of individuals.

You probably think that graphic up there is a frustrating, unfair, and not specific to this case… well try being on the other side. Try being at the bottom of it. Try knowing, without a doubt, that had this been a group of black individuals storming a federal government almost no one would be talking about their mental state or their food in jail because they’d be freaking dead.

You want a fact. That’s a freaking fact. These people are lucky to be alive, and most of them are alive because they are white. And because they are white there will be no shortage of excuses piling up for them, some just made up fantasies, because the only thing worse than watching a bunch of white people fail to overthrow the US government for White America is actually taking responsibility for it.

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QFT45

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I get that emotions are running high and the topic is irksome because the rioters, etc. are hiding behind people’s sympathies. (And I’m NOT sympathetic. I think I made that clear.) But I don’t see how denying that mental health might be a factor helps devise an effective strategy against them. There’s been loads of shitty strategy over the past 4+ years, like believing Trump couldn’t win, believing that Bush 2000 couldn’t win (I did this too and didn’t vote!), believing that Bush 2004 couldn’t win, half-assing the “deplorables” remark, “we don’t really need masks”, etc. etc.

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I’m thinking it’s because mental health is an issue that needs a lot of enhanced attention, but it doesn’t apply to percentages of crowds. In that 2-5 thousand or whatever, there were certainly 10-20 people with mental health issues that might have been a contributing factor to them being there and attacking the seat of US government. The rest have a cultural issue, an intelligence issue, and a privilege issue.

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Where does brainwashing land on the mental health spectrum?

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Near Stockholm syndrome, somewhere.

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In interviews, a friend of Crowl’s, and his mother and sister said that he had served in the Marines for six years, rising to the rank of corporal, and had at one point been stationed on the U.S.S. Iwo Jima. They said that, encountering health issues, Crowl left the Marines in 1993 and returned to civilian life. He struggled with addiction and held occasional jobs in construction. Legal records show that, last year, Crowl was arrested in Ohio for driving under the influence, and he has been charged with misdemeanors for violating probation and for domestic violence. During the Obama Administration, the family members and friend recalled, Crowl expressed fury at the President, along with wider animosity toward Black people. “The only good Black person is a dead Black person,” his mother, Teresa Joann Rowe, a retired nurse, recalled Crowl saying—though she stipulated that Crowl used a racial epithet. She said that she had become estranged from her son owing to his views and had not been aware of his involvement in the attack on the Capitol until she saw photos. “I would have called the Ohio state police if I had known he was going to that place,” Rowe told me. “I’m sitting here sick to my stomach.” During the Trump Administration, the people close to Crowl said, he began to express increasing ardor for Trump and to embrace conspiracy theories. “It’s stuff he heard from that psychopath Alex Jones and those echo chambers on the Internet,” his sister Denissa Crowl, who is also a nurse, told me. She said that such radicalization was a familiar phenomenon in Crowl’s rural Ohio community. “That’s like ground zero,” she told me. “I fear him,” she added. “He’s very skilled in firearms. He was an expert sharpshooter.”