I think Crowd Psychology was a major factor. Not necessarily long term mental illness but more of a short term loss of control. You had a few serious “kill them all” people in a large group of ordinary, garden variety racist trash. The crowd gets going and everyone lost their minds.

I see it more as how people really show their true colors when drunk.

I also think that’s why you see some of them have honestly no idea they did something wrong. The mob took over and their personal responsibility was lost/forgotten.

Thank you ;)

I might have a different criteria for “most”, but don’t want to distract away from the idea mentioned up thread that “a lot” of the insurrectionists are mentally ill, with no hint of that, and why we would apply that assumption to this, very particular set of folks compared to any other number of historical violent, evil acts.

I like this article a lot.

They are at odds with the APA, though. Not necessarily for the content or direction of their analysis, but for openly discussing a public figure (due to the Goldwater rule) and his hangers-on. It’s interesting.

They could find a new host in another country if they wanted. Russia would have them. The fact that they’re not sounds like they think the grift is over and don’t want to bother.

That was the same impression I sort of got. That the Parler folks are like “Well, that was a thing” and they feel like there’s more in it for them personally to play victims than actually try to relaunch.

One of the cofounders of Pirate Bay called them out yesterday, noting that the fact that they didn’t have a backup plan for the inevitable shut down makes them huge idiots.

“The Pirate Bay, the most censored website in the world, started by kids, run by people with problems with alcohol, drugs and money, still is up after almost two decades,” Kolmisoppi said. “Parlor and gab etc have all the money around but no skills or mindset. Embarrassing.”

Ariel Pink appears to be having a humdinger of a 2021 so far.

screenshot-www.google.com-2021.01.14-22_50_45

LOL at this:

“Man, I like me some Nugent. And some Lee Greenwood. And some Ariel Pink.”

I was under the impression he was the next Kurt Cobain or something? (I don’t know much about him.)

Nah. Nowhere near the kind of mainstream appeal. I have room in my music tastebuds for all kinds of stuff – including Ariel Pink – but I’d charitably describe his music to those with no frame of reference for it as “challenging.”

I’m old. I have no clue who Ariel Pink is.

IIRC, some kind of super-nerd about the underground LA music scene, who also makes music. (I may be way off.)

Heh. Not exactly a household name, regardless of age. But he’s a musical artist who has thrived in the past for happily embracing things that might get him publicity (good or bad) with equal enthusiasm.

It’s possible (I suppose) that his presence at the riot on January 6 was another one of his confrontational “bits”, but maybe not. In any event, this one may have put him out over his skis.

The Pirate Bay didn’t get kicked off AWS after designing their site around AWS services. They didn’t have to do all their development again from scratch after getting kicked off a hosting provider.

Was Parler stupid for tying themselves to Amazon? Maybe, but lots of companies do exactly the same thing. There are probably thousands of companies that Amazon could put out of business permanently just by kicking them off AWS.

The problem with this as any sort of justification is that they were in a crowd full of people with confederate flags, neo-nazi t-shirts, all sorts of white supremacy slogans, etc. When they saw that, it was time to step away. That they didn’t, it’s on them. (And, according to the NYT breakdown, they had to pass at least two police barriers before getting to the Capitol building.)

Ariel was hugely influential for a group of bands around, say, 2010 that also never became household names (they were indie bands often labeled as—and none of these genres are made up—chillwave, vaporwave, or hypnagogic pop that explored themes related to memory and nostalgia; Pink himself sounds like a demented ‘70s AM radio station) and during that same period he personally enjoyed critical acclaim for his contemporaneous work and a reappraisal of his underground releases from the previous decade. I like(d) his stuff quite a bit, but it’s pretty clear I’m having to add him to the scrapheap of musicians I can no longer stand to listen to for their extra-musical activities (which is fine, there are tons of artists out there to fill that void).

Prior to this, he often found himself mired in controversies for misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic comments he made in interviews (the latter two particularly perplexing to me because so much of his music seemed really queer-coded). I’m pretty sure none of this was him being ironic or doing a bit; it’s clear he’s just a garbage person.

I got the impression from their statements that they weren’t tied to AWS services specifically, it was just a case of not being able to find another provider offering compute/storage at scale that they could migrate into it. I imagine they were a radioactive name and Oracle Cloud/GCE/Azure/Rackspace/etc did NOT want to take those calls last week.

Hard to be sure since their statements are probably self serving and thus suspect, but I don’t think they were tied specifically to Lambdas or DynamoDB or anything like that.

He’s been making music since the '90s so he’s not really for the “kids” at this point.

Personally, I’d say 2014’s Pom Pom was his creative and popular peak.

One of the accounts:

Fanone and his partner, Jimmy Albright, entered the Capitol through a door on the east side and rushed through the building. They ended up at the West Terrace, where they saw the backs of officers pressing against the mob.

Another officer, dressed in a white uniform worn by upper-level supervisors, an eight-point hat and a trench coat, was doubled over in a hallway, hacking from the bear and pepper spray. Fanone recognized him as Kyle, whom he first met 20 years ago when both were on the Capitol Police force.

Still coughing, Kyle stood and turned toward the officers holding the tunnel: “We got to hold this door.”

Fanone made his way to the front of the line, relieving officers who by then could stay upright only by leaning on someone else.

“It was body against body, just crushing, like a barbaric scene,” Fanone recalled.

He yelled for officers who needed a break. “Nobody was volunteering,” Fanone said, adding that they all pointed at others and said, “This guy needs help.”

Fanone and Albright had started their Wednesday tour as usual at 7:30 a.m. Assigned to a crime-suppression unit in the 1st District, which includes Capitol Hill, they usually patrol in plain clothes. But to increase visibility on a day fraught with tension, they had been ordered to wear their uniforms. Now they were in the thick of things.

Injured officers were passed back through the line, one bleeding from the mouth and nose.

As people in the mob dragged Fanone down the steps, he said he feared he would be stripped and dragged through the Capitol.

“I was being beat from every angle,” he said. “I thought, maybe, I could appeal to somebody’s humanity.”

With other officers swinging clubs, Albright pulled Fanone back inside.

Has anyone read (maybe it’s behind the paywall in this article) an account of how the insurgents were driven out or came to leave the capitol building in the end?