8073

I was thinking that I read the book before the movie came out, but I looked it up and the movie was 1970. I did read the book before seeing the movie, but I must have not seen the movie until a couple of years after its release. It’s always been one of the few cases where I preferred the movie over the book and the TV show over the movie.

8074

Yeah, MASH Goes to Maine is ok, the third I can’t even remember though I read them all at one time.

8075

From today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-executive-privilege-subpoenas/2021/09/23/1c163312-1ba7-11ec-8380-5fbadbc43ef8_story.html

The White House is leaning toward releasing information to Congress about what Donald Trump and his aides were doing during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol despite the former president’s objections — a decision that could have significant political and legal ramifications.

Trump has said he will cite “executive privilege” to block information requests from the House select committee investigating the events of that day, banking on a legal theory that has successfully allowed presidents and their aides to avoid or delay congressional scrutiny for decades, including during the Trump administration.

But President Biden’s White House plans to err on the side of disclosure given the gravity of the events of Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with discussions who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.

Important note:

White House documents requested by the panel are identified by National Archives personnel and then sent to Biden and Trump lawyers. The first tranche was sent out Aug. 31, according to a person familiar with the transfer.

Trump has 30 days following the delivery of the documents to decide whether to object to their release, according to the statute. Even if he opposes turning them over, the Biden White House has decision-making authority and can release them, over Trump’s objections, after an additional 60 days has elapsed. Trump’s remaining option would be to go to court to try to halt the release, legal advisers said.

8076

Breaking news that the Jan 6th committee is whipping out its subpoenas.

Mark Meadows, Dan Scavino, Steve Bannon and Kash Patel.

8077

Why would there be any question at all to hold back this information? It seems critical to what was going on. Not pushing this out would seem like a cover-up for Trump.

8078

Every Administration is going to have a lot of internal discussions that will look bad if released. They don’t want to normalize the process of dumping the last Administrations dirt. So they will try and do it in a targeted and deliberate way.

8079

Do you think that will stop the next new gop pres from full on retaliating? This measured restraint would only be one way.

8080

I dunno. The Trump White House didn’t release a lot of Obama’s stuff, and I’m pretty certain that if they found something embarrassing they, Cheeto Hitler would have wanted to do so.

So either Obama didn’t have ANYTHING in the records that was embarrassing, or the few Trump aides with working brain cells figured that if they did it then the next Dem president would immediately expose all their crooked shit on Day 2.

8081

I think it didn’t occur to Trump, if he had known it was a option he would have burned him down if he could. I wouldn’t be surprised if his staff kept it from him as a option.

Did you really just think Trump has some integrity? 4 years of him snubbing his nose at the concept wasn’t enough to convince you he has none?

8082

This is probably the most-likely answer. It feels like if Trump knew he could embarrass Obama by releasing a bunch of awkward phone call transcripts or whatever that he definitely would have done it.

8083

I agree. He just called Bush a RINO. He has never shied away from shitting on anyone. He would have gleefully released stuff about Obama if he knew of it.

8084

Just to be clear, the argument was not that Trump had integrity, rather that he (or decision-makers of his) had fear. That’s a very different motivation.

8085
8086

Hmm, good point. Is Trump capable of thinking and acting that long term? I wouldn’t have thought so, but if he does then this is a good reason.

8087

I don’t think Trump is/was capable of winkling out all the downstream repercussions, but I think Kellyanne or his lawyers would have been.

8088

Trump will sell out all our secrets to our enemies if he hasn’t already.

8089

In the middle of an unfolding melee that shook a pillar of American democracy — the peaceful transfer of power — the bureau had an informant in the crowd, providing an inside glimpse of the action, according to confidential records obtained by The New York Times. In the informant’s version of events, the Proud Boys, famous for their street fights, were largely following a pro-Trump mob consumed by a herd mentality rather than carrying out any type of preplanned attack.

After meeting his fellow Proud Boys at the Washington Monument that morning, the informant described his path to the Capitol grounds where he saw barriers knocked down and Trump supporters streaming into the building, the records show. At one point, his handler appeared not to grasp that the building had been breached, the records show, and asked the informant to keep him in the loop — especially if there was any violence.

The records describing the informant’s account of Jan. 6 — excerpts from his interviews and communications with the F.B.I. before, during and after the riot — dovetail with assertions made by defense lawyers who have argued that even though several Proud Boys broke into the Capitol, the group did not arrive in Washington with a preset plot to storm the building.

They also raise new questions about the performance of the F.B.I. in tracking the threat from far-right groups like the Proud Boys.

8090

“So, Joe… I know I tried to strongarm Ukraine into digging up dirt on your family, and I’m eroding the foundations of American democracy in order to soothe my ego over the last election, but… could you do me a solid?”

8091

Catching up on thread

8092

Haha, sweet. Although the ‘General Sherman’ would piss off neoConfederates even more…