He doesn’t have to explain shit. To me anyway. $$$$$$$$

The UFC might wait another 10 years for a personable, good on camera, hyped up fighter like Rousey. If he doesn’t give her a rematch right away ahe might bolt for greener pastures (i.e. movies).

He doesn’t have to explain shit. To me anyway. $$$$$$$$

The UFC might wait another 10 years for a personable, good on camera, hyped up fighter like Rousey. If he doesn’t give her a rematch right away ahe might bolt for greener pastures (i.e. movies). Heck, she’s in a remake of Roadhouse being worked on. Roadhouse! I wonder who will play the blind musician. I think Jackie Treehorn should come back as himself.

Ronda is only getting the movies roles because her fame in the cage and that she was the undefeated champ. Also so far shes basically been in just cameos because she frankly cant act. Roadhouse could be a disaster, who knows. If she loses to Holm again her world of fame goes poof to a big degree.

Agreed. But that’s the fun and draw of watching the fight, right? You get to watch someone make or break their career.

Whatever happened to Gina Carano, by the way? Edit: She’s gonna be in Deadpool!

I don’t think that’s strange at all, especially since it took over a year to get the Aldo/McGregor fight done, in one of the most competitive weight classes so there’s a huge waiting list for shots at the belt, including guys who are already late in their career who might not be as competitive soon, like Edgar.

By comparison, let’s face it, there’s really nobody meaningful waiting at 135lb for Holm other than Ronda, and their 1st fight was a much bigger upset than Conor winning, it was scheduled and occurred quickly and needs the validation of a rematch - it’s also not certain that someone else won’t get a shot prior to UFC 200 - Ronda won’t be ready for several months and the UFC wants that huge fight for UFC 200 though so they probably won’t risk an intervening fight for Holm.

She hasn’t fought in 6 years and there has never been, and still isn’t, a weight class in the UFC for her - she (and Cyborg), are much bigger than the female fighters currently in the UFC and there’s not a lot of depth in women’s sports, let alone MMA, at that weight , so it’s not a weight class that’s likely to be established.

Cyborg would be a favorite over Ronda Rousey, and we may eventually see it if she can get down to 135 lb, but she’s been unable to do so.

Anyone having doubts about the refereeing these days? I mean, in 194 there was the contrast between Conor/Aldo on the one hand, and Rockhold/Weidman on the other. In the one case, the guy barely hits the canvas and it’s called a KO, in the other case, it’s called a KO only after the guy’s been mashed to a pulp several times. (There was also a fight in the prelims that I thought was called too early.)

I dunno, my spider-senses are tingling.

The virtue of a counted KO in boxing is that everyone has a reasonable sense of time (so the ref. can’t stretch time too much) and if a guy can’t get up by that hard time limit, they can’t get up.

But when it’s so up to ref. discretion - doesn’t that open a whole can of worms? And yet at the same time, it’s hard to see what else they can do, given ground & pound as a finisher strategy, and things like that.

In general though, it was a great UFC with some awesome fights (I particularly enjoyed Faber v Saenz, and Demian Maia’s masterclass vs. the doughty Gunnar Nelson was awe-inspiring).

My understanding is that the guiding principle is the fighter’s ability to defend himself from harm. Aldo went down, arms to his sides, nothing to block the follow-up blow from McGregor. Fight over. Any time you see a fighter go down like a puppet with its strings cut, expect the fight to be over, because that’s a good stoppage. In contrast, boxing lets a fighter gather himself and take a more cranial abuse, as many times as he can stand up again over the course of a 10 or 12-round fight.

Weidman, on the other hand, was on the bottom but actively trying to block Rockhold’s blows – but slowly losing ground. There’s no magic moment there, and it’s going to have to be more a judgment call for the ref. Everybody loves second-guessing these judgment calls, especially the early ones, but the ref called it about the same time I told my fellow watchers that the fight would have to be stopped soon. But that was based on Weidman’s losing the ability to actively defend himself, not the amount of blood or bruises. Head wounds bleed a lot, and glancing elbow blows can easily open up a head wound, that’s just a given. While it looks bad or gruesome, it doesn’t necessarily have an impact on the fighter’s ability to defend or attack. I’ve definitely seen a bloodied fighter come back and win.

I agree – that stoppage was absolutely necessary. If the ref had waited two more seconds, Aldo might be dead. That first hammerfist, against a completely defenseless opponent, looked devastating.

I am glad I watched that live. I’m also glad that my ‘investment’ was 30 seconds spent looking for a stream, followed by 14 seconds of the fight, then a full minute of mixed chuckling and muttering “holy crap”. As someone who has never been an MMA fan and never watched it until the last two title bouts (this one and Rousey-Holm), I’m now interested. This appears to be a real sport, unlike wrestling or what boxing has become.

“Barely hitting the canvas” in this case was an unequivocal KO. If you get punched and go down like that the fight’s over in the UFC, so there’s no real doubt involved.

The bigger issue was more that the Weidman/Rockhold fight wasn’t called at the end of the third and that’s because Herb Dean sucks. Weidman was not at all intelligently defending himself, which is basically the threshold for ending a fight or not.

IMO I find the judging to be a bigger annoyance than the officiating. Judging is so insanely inconsistent and such a weird crapshoot.

Heh. I was about to go off about how great wrestling is, but then realized you meant WWE style pro-wrestling, not collegiate or olympic style.

Welcome to MMA. It’s pretty nuts, has problems (some all its own, some similar to boxing), but is indeed a real sport.

Personally, I think Herb Dean should have stopped the fight, but I also think Weidman was defending himself as intelligently as he could.

If you look at the position at that point Rockhold has the mount so high that his left knee is past Weidman’s right armpit, essentially trapping Weidman’s arm up. With that position Weidman can’t use his shoulders to escape and he also can’t hip escape because there’s a huge gap between his hips and Rockhold’s weight - a bridge isn’t going to achieve anything.

So that leaves just holding your hands high and trying to get to the end of the round.

I can’t find a picture from the other side, where Rockhold’s knee was higher, but even on this side, you can see if he got any further up he’d practically be sitting on Weidman’s neck.

Rockhold’s mount

However, I do wonder how long Dean would have waited if it wasn’t the Champion on the bottom.

I guess what I’m saying is that I just get the impression that both Conor and Weidman being UFC posterchildren, there may have been some pressure on the refs. - I don’t mean money pressure but just psychological pressure - to finish the Conor/Aldo fight earlier than it should have, and to let Weidman be battered longer than he should have.

I’m not squeamish about blood at all, I understand that a lot of the time it doesn’t signify serious injury; but I agree with Zuwadza, that to my mind Weidman wasn’t intelligently defending himself long before it was finally called, actually in his first battering. Whereas with Aldo I felt that he hadn’t really been that badly injured - he had obviously blacked out for a sec, but a momentary blackout is hardly a KO. He didn’t seem disoriented when he was on the ground immediately after Conor’s hammerfist, and in fact looked like he was starting to get into a position to defend himself at that point. Also, he didn’t seem disoriented when he was talking to the ref immediately after the call. Given he was the defending champion, he should have been cut more slack. But Aldo is ugly and dull, whereas Conor is handsome and charismatic.

Whereas with Weidman, it was the opposite problem - I felt he was given too much slack. (And looks-wise, while I suppose you could say Rockhold’s reasonably good looking, Weidman’s definitely got that All-American look to him.)

It’s inevitable that UFC is going to prefer pretty people to front the sport, but they should still be absolutely rigid in putting the sport itself as a test of combat skills first. That sense of authenticity is the whole reason the UFC got going in the first place, and if they lose that USP, people will lose interest - or, the UFC will turn into theatre, like most professional combat sports eventually do.

(I’m not claiming that these were works, not by a long chalk, not yet. But it’s a slippery slope. And in a way, it’s kind of inevitable that professional combat sports are going to eventually descend into theatre - at some point money, safety, etc., are going to trump the idea of “who’s going to win in a fair fight?” After all, who in their right mind would actually want to be battered to fuck for a living? And eventually, a lot of these people tend to know each other and be friends - who’d want to batter their friend to fuck for a living?)

People ringside were saying that Aldo didn’t realise the fight had started and his corner had to repeatedly explain to him it was over.

Aldo couldn’t even get off the mat on his own immediately after the end

Oh wow, well that changes things. He definitely looks totally out of it there. I take it back re. Aldo. Ref was absolutely spot on.

As you were :)

If your concern is the integrity of the sport then I’d be way, way, way more worried about judging than reffing. Rockhold/Weidman I can chalk up to Herb Dean being bad at his job, but the judging is consistently really bad. The fact that everyone knows “you can’t let the judges decide” just goes to show how bad it is. Everyone takes for granted that decisions are a crapshoot.

Also, I hate to pile on but a “momentary blackout” in the UFC is a KO by the rules. If you get hit, black out and go to the ground the fights gonna end.

My guess is that his arm raising was actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fencing_response which is a sign of a concussion.

Big John McCarthy almost always has perfect judgment, as in the Aldo fight. It’s also not uncommon for someone who has been knocked out to be woken up to alertness by a subsequent blow, but the fight has to end if someone has gone lights out, even very briefly.

Decent free card tomorrow too.

Great card again! Michael Johnson vs Nate Diaz may be my favorite fight of the year - certainly top 5. Nate Diaz finally taking things seriously and coming into the fight in easily the best physical shape of his career and never looking faster. Johnson has been on a tear and improved a great deal, so I think it was reasonable for him to think he’d destroy the Diaz that was showing up in 2013. Man, I’d love to see Diaz vs Conor as Conor’s first fight in that division. But he’ll probably go straight to a title shot.

Nice to see Nate M also get a rare win with a fantastic KO. He’s definitely done as a contender at this point in his career, but I’d like to see him in good form and taking a role as a gatekeeper for another couple of years.

Also glad to see Overeem get this win over Dos Santos - he just offers the potential for more interesting fights than Dos Santos, who is increasingly looking like he’s done after a couple of years of success as essentially just a decent boxer with heavy hands.

Felt bad for Cerrone in the main, and felt the stoppage was early, but Dos Anjos continues to look very solid and tough and is a worthy champion in a very competitive division. It’s got to be really deflating to pull together 8 straight wins only to lose quickly again though, and now being faced with the prospect of trying to do it again. Hard for morale.

I am finally catching up on the card from the weekend. I saw the Overeem fight live, but couldn’t stay up late to see the Cerrone fight as I work on Sunday early, but I did finally catch it last night after dinner. That was quite a bummer and a quick finish by Dos Anjos. I am also a big Cerrone fan and was hoping he would at least get a chance to hold the title for a bit. I thought I heard somewhere during the broadcast that Cerrone may have given a verbal request to stop the fight, but I could be mistaken. It did seem like he was in the process of standing up and was blocking most of the blows it appeared.

Nate Diaz certainly is an interesting guy and good to see him fighting well again. I haven’t seen that fight yet, but should have time tonight. For some reason I thought he was in the welterweight division, but perhaps that was just a missed fight from earlier this year with Matt Brown that didn’t happen. It sounds like both Diaz and Dos Anjos called out Conor and a fight with either would sure be interesting.