RichVR
1730
So I’m watching this Ancient Aliens crap. How many people here believe that the moon was actually brought here to be a base for aliens to watch us? And is it hollow?
MikeJ
1731
I think that’s the plot of an old David Weber book.
There is no dark side of the moon, really. It’s all dark.
The moon isn’t hollow, it just has holes because it’s made of cheese.
Literally no one believes that. Not even the people saying it on the show. They need to crank out like 22 episodes a year. That’s a lot of stories.
orald
1736
I think that we can all agree with the opening sentence of the article.
Sure. Then the pentagon should do themselves a favour and stop leaking videos and details of un explainable mystery craft. They have created this mess, and its on them to clean it up.
The last two video leaks are filmed with a cell phone inside a ships CIC, a place where no recording devices are allowed. No effort was made to classify them. These are happening on purpose. The latest one hasn’t been posted in this thread yet, so here it is. Snips of Radar data from the 2019 incident where the “splash” and “pyramid” videos were taken, and the “drone swarm” reported in the drive article posted above.
As with Roswell, the question isn’t “is it aliens?” The question is, what is it that the military wants to cover up by playing the “aliens” card.
Not aliens, but also not not aliens.
The only definitive conclusion is they aren’t ours. If the military isn’t lying about that, it’s scary. It means an adversary has better stuff than us.
If the phenomena were Chinese or Russian aircraft, officials said, that would suggest the two powers’ hypersonic research had far outpaced American military development.
Well shit!
Some new information in there.
The report determines that the vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology, the officials said. That determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that Navy pilots who reported seeing unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs the government meant to keep secret.
120 incidents. So many more than the few we see video for.
The report concedes that much about the observed phenomenon remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, ability to change direction and submerge. One possible explanation — that the phenomena could be weather or other research balloons — does not hold up in all cases, the officials said, because of changes in wind speed at the times of some of the interactions.
Sounds pretty wild. Also someone should check on Mick West. His theories of “Gimbal” being another fighter jet and Go fast being a balloon are on some shaky ground.
Which implies very strongly that it holds up just fine in many cases, as you’d expect.
MikeJ
1743
Yeah we need to see more of a breakdown. Between the “vast majority” not being a US program and prosaic explanations not holding up in “all cases”, there is still some room for the hardest to explain cases being some kind of projector/spoofing system. Or maybe they are genuinely baffled about what it could be.
Edit: One thing that won’t help is the classified annex. It could be “BTW, we are totally lying about not understanding incidents, 10,12, 35, and 97 but that would reveal too much of our capabilities.” Or it could be more classified evidence that makes the incidents even harder to explain.
Uh huh. Again, see Roswell. If the options are between revealing a classified military program like Project Mogul and saying “oh we have no idea what it is but maybe wink wink it’s aliens” they’ll do the latter every time.
Timex
1745
TIL the government used UFO stories to cover up a weather balloon, and not vice versa.
It is, of course, completely and totally impossible that a secret organizations would lie about their secret capabilities when asked for the purposes of a report they know perfectly will end up splattered all over the media. Possibility eliminated!
That’s just what they want you to think!
I used to be amazed by the following line of thought among the faithful:
Skeptic: Isn’t the simplest, most likely explanation that these sightings are byproducts of some kind of top secret operation by the US or foreign governments?
Believer: That would mean that parts of the US government are flat-out lying to their own military, members of Congress, and the press. That’s just not possible.
Skeptic: But by the same token, there’s been no evidence that these are in fact aliens. Why haven’t we seen any?
Believer: Because the government is covering up the evidence, obviously. What are you, stupid?
Back in the day I thought this sort of doublethink was unusual in the general population. Now I understand that holding mutually contradictory beliefs at the same time is humanity’s default mode.
NASA has launched its own UFO investigation.
If you think about the chain of events that would lead to US secret programs causing all of this, that explanation makes little sense at all. But if that’s your theory I’d love to hear why you think that and how it fits the sightings and responses we have seen.
